Counting villas at Copper Creek

The documents filed on February 21, 2017 for the Copper Creek Villas & Cabins at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge revealed some interesting information about the accommodations that will be offered at the 14th Disney Vacation Club resort. Combined with some educated guesses, the villa layout of Copper Creek is beginning to come into focus.

(Note: This story was originally published February 23, 2017 and updated March 30 to include confirmed room counts.)

Disney's Wilderness Lodge

In August 2016, Disney received a license from the State of Florida to sell up to 184 vacation homes at Copper Creek. By definition, a vacation home may be a Dedicated Studio, a Dedicated One Bedroom, Two Bedroom, Grand Villa, or Cabin. A Lockoff Two Bedroom counts as a single vacation home, even though it can be booked as two separate villas (a Studio plus a One Bedroom).

These 184 vacation homes makes Copper Creek larger than the existing Boulder Ridge component at the Wilderness Lodge (136 vacation homes) and the Villas at Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa (100 vacation homes), but smaller than Disney's Beach Club Villas (208 vacation homes) and every other Walt Disney World timeshare development.

DVC is taking over the entire southern half of Wilderness Lodge. As part of Copper Creek’s Master Declaration, Disney declared 48 vacation homes, or about one-fourth of the resort’s 184 total vacation homes. Included in these 48 vacation homes were the following types:

3 Dedicated Studios
4 Dedicated One Bedroom Villas
10 Lockoff Two Bedroom Villas
17 Dedicated Two Bedroom Villas
2 Grand Villas
12 Cabins
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48 vacation homes

That leaves 136 units--or roughly 74% of the new resort--yet to be declared.

Disney's Wilderness Lodge

Based upon numbers provided by Disney Vacation Club, here is the breakdown of the entire resort including the 48 rooms in the initial declaration:

42 Dedicated Studios
20 Dedicated One Bedroom Villas
36 Lockoff Two Bedroom Villas
56 Dedicated Two Bedroom Villas
4 Grand Villas
26 Cabins
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184 vacation homes

It is curious that Disney Vacation Develpment has chosen to declare only 7% of the resort's Dedicated Studio rooms (3 of 42) along with 46% of the resort's Cascade Cabins (12 of 26.)  Regardless, all of these rooms will eventually be added to the timeshare program as sales progress over the next couple of years.  

All together, the 184 rooms which make up Copper Creek Villas & Cabins at Disney's Wilderness Lodge represents 3,321,966 points within the Disney Vacation Club timeshare program.  With an average selling price upward of $165 per point, Disney can expect to see revenues exceeding a half-billion dollars on this project.


Wil Lovato is a contributor to DVCNews.com and has been a Disney Vacation Club owner since 2009. His DVC Home Resorts include Bay Lake Tower, Animal Kingdom Villas, and Aulani. He can be found posting on many Disney discussion forums under the username of “wdrl.”

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Counting villas at Copper Creek -- DVCNews
2017 Feb 23 04:30:59 PM
The documents filed on February 21, 2017 for the Copper Creek Villas & Cabins at Disney’s Wilderness Lodge revealed some interesting information about the accommodations that will be offered at the 14th Disney Vacation Club resort. Combined with some educated guesses, the villa layout of Copper Creek is beginning to come into focus.

(Note: This story was originally published February 23, 2017 and updated March 30 to include confirmed room counts.)

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Re: Counting villas at Copper Creek -- rkstocke5609
2017 Feb 23 06:35:29 PM
Thanks for compiling this data! If you have it correct that will be a staggering amount of dedicated 2BR's. This will be really interesting to watch!
Re: Counting villas at Copper Creek -- wdrl
2017 Feb 23 09:12:39 PM
Here are some things that weren't included in the article about the villa types at Copper Creek:

The cover photo of Wilderness Lodge shows the location of the Alternate Studios. They are located at the corner of the Wilderness Lodge wing underneath the peaked roof that is facing to the right.

When Disney converted the hotel rooms to DVC villas, it generally took three hotel rooms to form a two-bedroom villa, two hotel rooms to form a one-bedroom, and one hotel room to form studio. Disney was forced to create some dedicated one-bedrooms and dedicated studios because of the odd number of hotel rooms scattered about the resort. The same thing happened when Disney converted the hotel rooms at Jambo House to villas at Animal Kingdom

The Alternate Studios are a byproduct of the hotel suites that were located at the bend of the South Wing. Wilderness Lodge had some oversized rooms in this area and Disney decided to convert part of these suites into the Alternate Studios.

The Alternate Studio on the 7th floor is a bit unique because it will have two balconies, one off the bedroom and one off the living room. This villa is located where the Yellowstone Suite use to be, which was the largest suite at Wilderness Lodge.

There were some oversized suites also located at the end caps of the South Wing. We know Copper Creek will have Grand Villas located at these end caps. But if Disney decides not to build a Grand Villa on, say, the 1st or 2nd floor because of the obstructed views, the oversized space will almost surely mean that CCV will end up with two additional Alternate Studios on each floor. That would bring the total number of Alternate Studios at CCV to perhaps 9 or 11.
Re: Counting villas at Copper Creek -- denlo
2017 Feb 24 11:25:33 AM
I could see if alternate lockoffs or the alternate studios had been a separate booking category, members walking their reservations to get these larger villas. If DVC have any sense they will not permit members to request these studios either, because 9 out of 10 studios bookings at CCV will request these studios. And I expect the ones that don't will be because they don't know they exist.

I am a little concerned at how few studios and 1BRs there are at CCV. It might make it very difficult to get in there for those of us wanting a studio or 1BR.
Re: Counting villas at Copper Creek -- wdrl
2017 Feb 24 12:12:06 PM
When I first looked at the numbers of studios versus two-bedrooms, I thought CCV will have a larger percentage of two-bedroom villas than what we have seen at other DVC resorts.

However, when I compared CCV's mix of villas to some other DVC resorts, it doesn't look like it is out of line.

For the sake of comparison, I ignored the lake front cabins even though they are two-bedroom villas. Given the prices that will be charged for the cabins, they are almost more like a Grand Villa than a standard two-bedroom villa.

This chart shows the maximum number of villas that can be booked each Use Day by accommodation type. For example, at CCV the maximum number of studios that can be booked is 53, which includes the 13 dedicated studios, the 7 Alternate studios that are part of the Alternate lock-off two-bedroom villas, and the 33 studios that are part of the standard lock-off two-bedroom villas.

CCV has a maximum of 53 studios and a maximum of 112 two-bedrooms, so the percentage of studios to two-bedrooms is 47.3%.

I was surprised to see that BLT has the same percentage (47.3%) of studios to two-bedrooms.


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53
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65
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133
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47
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55
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72
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133
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47
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112
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89
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281
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94
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47.3%
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73.0%
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47.3%
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50.0%
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49.1%
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80.9%
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47.3%
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50.0%
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So it looks like Copper Creek will not be as top-heavy with two-bedroom villas as I thought.

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