point chart increases

[PoohsPal]

. So- I took the maximum reallocation value for a studio, multiplied it by 5 nights (our estimated preferred length of stay for DL and the maximum the POS said could be imposed as a minimum length of stay if one is ever introduced) and divided that by 3. Round that up and you have the BARE MINIMUM point count we'd need for our desired trips. Then I picked a contract size (50 points) that was higher than my minimum calculation both to get an incentive and to have a reasonable amount of leeway! I'll grant this isn't necessarily bulletproof and our habits may change as could other rules & regs, but you can only plan for so many contingencies...

And now we all know the reason you call yourself a geek! Not THAT's planning!

[DisneyGeek]

Geek = good. As for planning- Right now I only have my trips planned out through calendar 2015 including est. point costs based on current charts, banking & borrowing needs to accomplish it, and when I'll buy & activate WDW APs and what two trips I'll use up 7 days we have left on our old 10 day MYW NE PHs...

[bakerworld]

You lost me at 'reallocation value' - what's that?

[DisneyGeek]

Reallocation values- I don't have a copy of a POS in front of me, but basically: Each resort has a point cost that you are guaranteed to be be able to get a room of size x for at some point during the year no matter how the charts change. It is theoretically possible that DVC could eliminate all seasons and daily rate differences (i.e. Fri & Sat the same as Sun-Thur, like at AVH), in what is called a maximum reallocation. This point cost is what I use because if I am flexible with my dates I know I can always get a room of that size for that cost at some point during the year. Unless max reallocation occurs sometimes that size room will be less, and others it will be more.

Hope that helps!

[18sprint]

The points are not supposed to change, just be reallocated. Got it. I dropped all the point charts for OKW into a spread sheet from 2009 through 2013. No matter how I add up the numbers, and believe me, I tried all sorts of combinations, the OVERALL points changed. Again, I only looked at OKW... The question I have is: Does DVC group ALL the points together, meaning all the resort points getting a grand total, then re-allocating points as they see fit? Or is it by the individual resort...if it is, like I said OKW has see overall total points change. '09- 5294, '10-5232, '11,'12,'13- 5204. Just trying to figure out how they do it.

[simbasmom]

There are a lot of members that purchased the exact number of points to stay 5 nights on points. They would check in Sunday and check out on Friday. They are the ones that are most vocal about the reallocation.

That's what we did at HHI, buy the exact number of points to stay 5 nights. Then the reallocation meant we were now short about 20 points. And I was very vocal-at home. That is, until Guy got the hint and let me buy more HHI points. And of course, we couldn't find that little a contract, so now we've got enough points to stay 6 nights. Now that's finding the silver lining!

[denlo]

The points are not supposed to change, just be reallocated. Got it. I dropped all the point charts for OKW into a spread sheet from 2009 through 2013. No matter how I add up the numbers, and believe me, I tried all sorts of combinations, the OVERALL points changed. Again, I only looked at OKW... The question I have is: Does DVC group ALL the points together, meaning all the resort points getting a grand total, then re-allocating points as they see fit? Or is it by the individual resort...if it is, like I said OKW has see overall total points change. '09- 5294, '10-5232, '11,'12,'13- 5204. Just trying to figure out how they do it.

I was talking to my DH, wdrl and he has a really good grip on how the point chart reallocation works. He's working a project at the moment so hopefully he can explain it in better detail. But from what I understand you need to consider the seasonal differences, the weekend pricing and the number of villas for each category and the number of days in the year. DVC typically uses 2 BR units and GVs as the base for the number of units.

OKW has 7,679,000+ allocated points each year for OKW. So the total on your spreadsheet should match that figure. Then a point chart is made up so that annually the total number of points used at OKW would come out to grand total of points to match the 7.6 million figure.

[TimK]

The points are not supposed to change, just be reallocated. Got it. I dropped all the point charts for OKW into a spread sheet from 2009 through 2013. No matter how I add up the numbers, and believe me, I tried all sorts of combinations, the OVERALL points changed. Again, I only looked at OKW... The question I have is: Does DVC group ALL the points together, meaning all the resort points getting a grand total, then re-allocating points as they see fit? Or is it by the individual resort...if it is, like I said OKW has see overall total points change. '09- 5294, '10-5232, '11,'12,'13- 5204. Just trying to figure out how they do it.

Due to changes in the calendar, it's impossible for every year to be identical. Some years have 365 days, some 366. Some years have 104 Friday + Saturday nights, others have 105 or 106. And the number of weekday / weekend nights in any given season can vary from one year to the next; if Feb 1-15 (Dream Season) is a Wednesday to Wednesday as in 2012, the totals will be different than 2008 when it was a Friday to Friday--even without taking the reallocation into account.

The POS makes reference to a Base Year which is used to calculate the point charts. Nobody seems to know what that base year might be. Perhaps it was 1991. In theory, if you plugged the before and after points into the Base Year, the results would be identical.

From a practical standpoint, even if they aren't identical DVC could make up the difference via the Developer holdings. DVC owns at least 2% of each resort. Let's say there was a 1000 point difference in the before and after of any given reallocation. DVC could simply forfeit 1000 of its Developer-held points to account for the difference with no negative impact passed on to members.