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withdisneyspirit

11-11-2010, 06:19 AM

Also Lisa, been meaning to ask you--how did your stride change? Have you gone "chi"? ;) (Have I already asked you this? If so please forgive me, I forgot what you said...)

ETA: Web page says for me to stick with Stablilyx for hip flexor too. Cool! Wish my mediums still fit...$$$

Sorry I forgot to answer this question, Rozzie! I can't say I am doing chi but I am leaning slightly forward and I am not running heel to toe. I don't land on my heel at all. I converted to a midfoot stride and it has literally saved my knees and caused me to land much softer. I am running in Nike Frees now for the last couple of weeks and trying to practice a forefoot to midfoot landing now :goodvibes::fingerscrossed:

Picking my right size is probably the hardest thing about ordering CW-X :confused24:

Are you smoking that magic wand up there? 1:37? My pie in the sky goal for OUC is 1:45.

Beth, what a great deal!! :thumbsup2:

John, if you had no prior issues I would say it's just ITB and roll it out with a foam roller. But with your prior hx I would say take it very cautiously at first. Is this Doc you see a runner, or someone that supports running? Some Ortho's are anti-running and will tell everyone that limps into their office that they need to give it up. Stand firm and say that no running is not a option and either he will help you get there, or you will find someone that can.

I bet you can do it, Rozzie!!! :w00t:

Beth, did you buy the tights yet? :listen:

About the ortho doc, Jrbdad, mine told me to quit! In his defense, he did operate on both my knees in the past five years. I guess he didn't want me to undo his handiwork, lol! But, I cried when I left his office and then I made myself better by changing my stride!! :yahoo:

Oh one more thing...

NONO you are in trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes she would have to hang it out there what my qualifying time for NYC is. Yes she would have to suggest it. Yes I would have to go over to RA and do the race time predictor, and it predict....1:36:22.

LOL!! what did Scott think of this and what is his NYC qualifying time??

Anyone else notice Disney races being featured on the Disney Parks blog?

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/11/lots-of-run-n-fun-at-disney-parks-last-call-for-entries-in-walt-disney-world-marathon-weekend-events/

GL to everyone doing some in 2011! :thumbsup2: Personally, I hope the 2012 WDW Marathon medal is just as if not more cool than the Mickey shown... :grin:

Well, of course, it will be cool, DG!! I do really like this one though :D

withdisneyspirit

11-11-2010, 06:31 AM

Hope you're hanging in there Jen.

I have not felt much like a runner the past two weeks. I've been doing more cross training to allow my legs some healing. Last night (after watching some stars arrive for the CMA awards--my residence was just a block fro the start of the black carpet) I did 3 miles on the TM. I felt some residual weakness so I know I'm doing the right thing. I just feel guilty about it. But I try and tell myself I'd rather have a good 26.2 miles than make sure I'm running hard for 3 or 4 miles four times a week.

Lisa I got a pair of UA tights. They are very comfortable. I like that they don't have a drawstring.
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How are you, Jen?

I think your plan is perfect, MM! How cool that you could walk up the street and see the stars :w00t: Also, I LOVE my UA tights - I have the cold gear ones. I am thinking though that the science behind CW-X will be good for my muscles and joints considering my extra challenges:idea: Anything that keeps me running healthier is worth a try!!

cloudnut220

11-11-2010, 06:40 AM

jrbdad

11-11-2010, 07:10 AM

I've been too busy staring at this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/nono_33/IMG_0167.jpg

That is so cool!:rocker:

withdisneyspirit

11-11-2010, 07:40 AM

I haven't bought my tights yet, but I'm still thinking I need to.

Confession time--this has been a really, really terrible week for me and I'm really discouraged about everything, including the running. Work has been crazy awful. I had a huge fight with my Dad on Tuesday night about--don't laugh--scheduling a family trip to DL and how my sister's schedule is more important than mine. And then I have this ache in my hip that comes and goes. This morning it's gone except for when I go down stairs, and I stretched and it feels better. But yesterday afternoon when I left work I was so tense and it seriously hurt BAD to go down steps. I came home did some yoga, went to the gym and did some elliptical time, then stretched some more. I don't know if I should try to run on it today or not. I'm home today, but going wedding dress shopping with a friend and would run tonight. It would be the last run before the 10k on Sunday, which I'm scared I might have to scratch.

Okay, starting to get emotional. Sorry. It's just I feel like I was really starting to get the running, to feel great about it, and now I don't know where this ache is coming from. I don't want to give up!

I am definitely not laughing about the fight with your dad! No one wants to be made to feel less than! On a level, I'm sure your dad knows this and sometimes when a misunderstanding escalates, things are said that never should have been and then its hard to forget...I'm so sorry! :hug1: The only help I can give is to remember how imperfect we all are and to reassure yourself that you are just as important as everyones else is!!! :thumbsup2:

Regarding the ache, it really seems as though you have it under control. don't run if you feel pain still. Save it for the race and definitely don't scratch it!!!! :goodvibes:

withdisneyspirit

11-11-2010, 07:42 AM

I've been too busy staring at this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/nono_33/IMG_0167.jpg

I have to admit that this is the best reply I have ever seen, nono!!!! LOL! I'd be staring at it all the time! :goodvibes::cheerleader::D

PoohsPal

11-11-2010, 07:53 AM

nono - That is just rtoo cool!

DG - Until this year, they only changed teh medals on teh annivarsary fulls (5, 10...) and then the year after g back to a new normal one. So, this one may stay around. I make no guarantees, but doubt it would be less cool!

Lisa - You just rock!

John - look at the programs at the back of Mfm. You coudl so do a half if you get that knee in gear! Good ofr you for resting!

Beth - With that race so, close, Iw oudl nto run before. Rest is the best answer. So sorry about your dad. SOunds like my MIL. SIL for whom teh world revolves must be inlcuded. She will not plan, so it just doesn't happen. Probably for the best. Hope things get worked out soon. I say that if her schedule is most important, she shoudl plan it herself! :hug1:

hmmm...wondering about the CWX for extra support for my legs, but may have to wait for Xmas.

Did 60 min last night, wasn't pretty. Didn't help tha tI wanted to kill my running partner by the time he finally got home, so we had to run in the dark, when it was 10 degrees colder. :mad: Didn't speak for teh first 40 min. Yeah, not fun, but I did it.

athenna

11-11-2010, 08:28 AM

How are you, Jen?

Meh, I'm ok I guess...Been a wreck because I was passed over for a job, that they pretty much told me was mine...Great money, excellent benefits, etc...Physically, nothing seems to hurt too much today, so later I'm going to try day 2 of week 11 at the track and see how I feel.

DisneyGeek

11-11-2010, 09:08 AM

Hope I don't miss anyone, but:

jr- Sounds smart on easing in; hope the knee plays nicely on your next run!

CN- I would skip today or maybe do a light high walk ratio outing and STOP if things hurt more than a tinge! Try for the race, but walk as much as you half to so as not to injure yourself. Attempting for one "good" time isn't worth a significant injury. And sorry to hear about your dad but I know the feeling; little pro was the star athelete and I was the theater & band nerd growing up. Now roles are mixing and changing, but that doesn't erase the past! DW has similar problems; her mom in particular favors her two brothers over almost everything over her and her older one is treated as the Prodigal Son. Oh well... TRY and keep things in perspective and remember you can't control others. I'm not very good at that either though so GL! :hug1:

MM- Hope the marathon is great & leave everything else behind!

A- Bummer on the job; something will come through & hopefully soon. Best wishes for the track!

PP- Shake off the bad run & maybe running by yourself is sometimes the best company you can get! :grin: Hope the next run is MUCH better at any rate.

As for me, I did 30 mill minutes this morning and felt pretty good overall. Stretched then did 21 partial squats (around 45 degrees I think) on each side; I decided trying to stay balanced was a good idea and just kept it pretty slow and a reasonable range of motion. Once the ITB issue is under control I'm looking forward to trying to up my indoor intervals from 6 run to 1 walk to 7, 8, eventually 15, then running solid and picking up the pace!!! Maybe I'll run the 10 miler in April solid; we'll see how everything is going by then. I haven't crunched out an exact schedule :scared07: yet because I don't know when my knee will be thinking what... ;)

PoohsPal

11-11-2010, 09:14 AM

MM - Knew I missed someone last time. :( You are doing the right thing and it will pay off! :dust:

Jen - :hug1::hug1::hug1:

DG - Awesome job on the squats! Yes, every now and then I like ttto run alone, but not so much at night. :(

DisneyGeek

11-11-2010, 09:20 AM

Yes, every now and then I like ttto run alone, but not so much at night. :(

Thanks & I don't blame you at all for that!!! As I've said before, I usually only run during daylight (or at least civil twilight) hours on top of avoiding the 'cold' by my definitions. :tomato:

This year I'm making a more concerted effort to either run inside or at least do cross on the days I do an "environmental abort" from running outside! (Unlike late 2009 and early 2010 where I let myself get lazy and put back on 25 pounds... :blush:)

Hopefully I'll do ~7 miles (run 3 walk 1?) outside on Saturday though; I'll be home during daylight AND just looked and saw the forecast has a high of 62! :thumbsup2:

MatterhornMiss

11-11-2010, 12:30 PM

Jen week 11 that's great! I didn't realize you were so far along. You are doing a great job even with the pain (as I sit at work with a bag of ice on my ankle). I'm excited to see you again for OUC.

Speaking of OUC who all will be there?

Cloudnut sorry about the bad days and pain. They come to all of us. I hope yours turns around soon. But bad times don't have to be bad news if you take the time to refocus on what it is about running you enjoy.

Lisa I have the hot weather UA tights because I want to be able to cover up all my leg gear without the flannel lining.
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Rozzie

11-11-2010, 12:52 PM

Tough times for Team Peacock! But remember tough times don't last, tough people do. I know, rinky dinky cliche but I believe it. :thumbsup2:

I missed my run this morning too. Mr. Roz had to get a colonoscopy today and was, errr, not up to running this morning. I slept the extra hour, so now I will have to run before yoga class tonight. Yuck. But I need to run, especially after eating a "garbage" burger for lunch. I told him he could eat anything he wanted since he hasen't had real food in 2 days. Soooo a "garbage" burger it was. (I feel my arteries clogging as I type...)

Beth, hope the hip feels better. I would just do really easy nice stuff before race. My hip pain comes and goes too. Aggravating it can be!

athenna

11-11-2010, 01:05 PM

MatterhornMiss

11-11-2010, 01:23 PM

I think you are doing great. Don't let the temporary setback from the pain make you feel like a failure. You have come so far and I believe you can overcome this. I know when I was out with ITBS I didn't even like to visit this thread because I was mad that other people could still run when I couldn't.

As to OUC I will be there either in the crowd or possibly walking or running the 5K or half. It all depends on how my body feels. Registration goes to the morning of so I have time. Posted via Mobile Device

athenna

11-11-2010, 01:39 PM

jrbdad

11-11-2010, 02:34 PM

Athenna- I don't know you, don't know what you've been through, but truly hate to hear anyone say that they are "done." Hope things turn around for you quickly. Praying for you.

A little late with my run, took DW & the two younger kids (who were out of school) to see Megamind -- pretty cute.

Finally got the run in -- really backed it down -- 3.35 miles, with an average pace of 10:20/mile. Felt like I was shuffling and really wanted to push it -- but held back. Thankfully, at least so far -- no pain.

Took DS12 to see our GP this morning, also a friend (I love living in a small town) -- mentioned the knee pain to him and he says, "why not try your regular orthotic in your running shoe." DUH!!!!:oweye: (always wanted to use that smilie). Felt strange and I could really feel a difference. Hopefully it does the trick.

Off to get ready for DS14's High School Football Pep Rally. :cheerleader:

Rozzie

11-11-2010, 03:00 PM

Great job John! When you are just starting out, don't worry what your pace is or isn't. You were out there getting it done--which is a lot more than what I am doing right now. (still trying to get my bloated self out there....)

Jen, I am sorry that you had to drop out of OUC. BUT hope you don't give up on running for good. I have had to give up big races before and it does suck, but you do get over the disappointment. Just keep doing your walking, and then slowly put it back into your life. I will let Lance Armstrong say it best: Pain is Temporary, quitting is forever.

jrbdad

11-11-2010, 03:07 PM

Thanks Rozzie! It felt wonderful just to be out there again after sitting on my rump for several days. Think I'll take tomorrow off and then go again Saturday.

Anyone here use Nike+ to keep track of your runs? If you do, "friend" me -- I'm "jrbdad" there too. You can be consistently underwhelmed by my abilities or lack there off ;)

athenna

11-11-2010, 03:13 PM

Athenna- I don't know you, don't know what you've been through, but truly hate to hear anyone say that they are "done." Hope things turn around for you quickly. Praying for you.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Jen, I am sorry that you had to drop out of OUC. BUT hope you don't give up on running for good. I have had to give up big races before and it does suck, but you do get over the disappointment. Just keep doing your walking, and then slowly put it back into your life. I will let Lance Armstrong say it best: Pain is Temporary, quitting is forever.

Mentally, physically, OUC isn't gonna happen, not worth the stress. If it's a positive thing in my life, I'll go back to it. If it continues to make me feel like crap, then I won't.

nono

11-11-2010, 04:17 PM

Okay, starting to get emotional. Sorry. It's just I feel like I was really starting to get the running, to feel great about it, and now I don't know where this ache is coming from. I don't want to give up!

It's OK to be emotional in the locker room. Where else can you do it? Not while your friend is picking out wedding dresses!

jrbdad

11-11-2010, 04:17 PM

Besides - you can't be done - I just got here ;).

Newbie question: what's OUC?
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cloudnut220

11-11-2010, 04:35 PM

It's OK to be emotional in the locker room. Where else can you do it? Not while your friend is picking out wedding dresses!

haha you're right nono! I had to be the tough love girl in the dressing room--aka the "that dress makes you look too wide in the hips" friend. But I did talk to my friend (she's a runner) about the hip and the race and she said the same thing you all did--that I should rest it. She said one extra run today or tomorrow isn't going to help more than rest when it comes to the race.

I guess I'm just scared that it's something serious and I can't continue running. Which would make me very very sad. Running is my zen right now--my time with quiet--no phone, no blackberry, just me to think and be one with my body. And it's awesome. I love it. It's my current favorite exercise, which is a big deal for this former gym rat. And I would hate to lose it!

nono

11-11-2010, 04:46 PM

I guess I'm just scared that it's something serious and I can't continue running. Which would make me very very sad. Running is my zen right now--my time with quiet--no phone, no blackberry, just me to think and be one with my body. And it's awesome. I love it. It's my current favorite exercise, which is a big deal for this former gym rat. And I would hate to lose it!

Well, even if it is serious, you can heal and come back. Really. While you are resting, read this thread from the start.* Keep score of all the injuries. We're still here...though we were all sure it was O-V-E-R many times. :o

*BTW, I should apologize in advance to anyone who does that. All my good stuff is done by p. 3.

Rozzie

11-11-2010, 04:58 PM

Well, even if it is serious, you can heal and come back. Really. While you are resting, read this thread from the start.* Keep score of all the injuries. We're still here...though we were all sure it was O-V-E-R many times. :o

.

Keeping score of injuries?? I win!! I win!! I win the Peacock most injured prize!!Coach Nono, I beat ya' in this horse race, sorry sport. MM, I know you fought the good fight for the prize, but I think if we counted my injury days vs. yours, I would win by a landslide. Remember I had Achilees, ITB, piriformis, tendonitis, runners knee, stomach ulcer (that counts because I had to take a week off), concussion (that counts too because I was getting ready to go run when I hit head on china cabinet, another week off) oh and lets do count how many times I had to STOP running in middle of runs because of my out of control GERD. Ha!!!!!!!! I am victorious!! Victory is mine!

I would like to dedicate this hard earned award to Jen, who may think she is the only injured runner on the planet....but we all know better!! Welcome to the club Jen, please see Coach Nono for your lifetime supply of KT Tape. MM, vice chairman, will be happy to asst you in your new club duties.

Rozzie

11-11-2010, 05:43 PM

Jen, read this. http://www.runningahead.com/forums/topic/39e9e636ae1a41ff97f0cfa5efb8155b/0

mickeyndvcfan

11-11-2010, 06:08 PM

I've been too busy staring at this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/nono_33/IMG_0167.jpg

:thumbsup2::rocker:

nono

11-11-2010, 07:14 PM

I just can't handle it, MM...One day I feel so so, the next I feel ok, the next, I'm in agony...I just can't stand it..It's not the end of the world..With all that I have going on in my life, I do not need one more thing to stress me out, I've got enough of it. I needed this as a distraction for other stuff, and that's not working. So I've made my decision, I'm done.

So, I was away from my 'puter all day, and when I read this at dinner time, I knew I needed to think about this for awhile. I hope what I say comes out right.

We are all in different places with different goals. Sometimes, indeed, you do have to set aside some of the mileposts and checkpoints that we use as goals, but your overall goal you are still achieving. You are becoming the best YOU that you can be. The physical side has been totally disheartening to you :hug1:. But, you've proven to yourself already that you can achieve some things you never thought possible.

I think it is wise sometimes to fold your cards and have enough money to gamble another day. Difficult, but wise.

Not running one race doesn't make you not a runner. If anything, it makes you more of a runner. But a runner isn't all you are. It's just a piece.

:goodvibes:

DisneyGeek

11-11-2010, 07:33 PM

I think I'm coming down with DW's cold now... :boohoohoo: Started getting a soar throat this afternoon. Ugh. Gargled with turpentine, err, generic Listerine- I'm guessing the petrochemical would taste better though! Hope that'll help.

I did get in a walk this afternoon to top off my run at least. :grin:

Roz- don't forget your foot damage when your tore off after the dogs during the yard flooding a few months back... Then again, nono had the beach injury that sidelined her from AFM, but I think you were competing with MM for most downtime.

Everyone who's having troubles- Don't give up!!!

Incidentally, my mom had knee surgery this morning. Got home by mid day, she was feeling good and I talked to her on the phone for a bit. Same doc that's done my dad's 5 surgeries and some work + PT for my bro...

Rozzie

11-12-2010, 04:36 AM

Thanks DG! :D Also forgot about the time I sprained my ankle real bad 3 weeks before Mardi Gras Marthon and missed about a week then too. Wow, this is like trip down memory lane. :grin:

jrbdad

11-12-2010, 05:41 AM

OK -- knee update. Woke up this morning and it is a little sore. Doesn't really hurt, no pain, nothing when I walk, move, or climb stairs. Just sore. Wondering if this is normal?

Might ice it throughout the day as a precaution.

Going to look into a foam roller this weekend and I started some ITB stretches last night.

Reading MFM -- you know, the whole concept of warm-ups was foreign to me -- so yesterday I walked five minutes, then ran 35, then walked five more. This could help. :D

athenna

11-12-2010, 06:04 AM

nono

11-12-2010, 06:04 AM

New book alert...I'm asking Santa for this one:

Mastering the Marathon: Time-Efficient Training Secrets for the 40-Plus Athlete

It came out in September, and I didn't know about it until I read a sidebar in Running Times. :blush:

athenna

11-12-2010, 06:07 AM

Jen, read this. http://www.runningahead.com/forums/topic/39e9e636ae1a41ff97f0cfa5efb8155b/0

Won't open for me:confused24: I'll try it again later.

jrbdad

11-12-2010, 06:36 AM

Athenna - glad you are feeling better :).

Wondering what other web resources you all use? Enjoyed perusing the runningahead link that DG posted.
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athenna

11-12-2010, 06:42 AM

Athenna - glad you are feeling better :).

Thanks:)

Hey, Roz, this time I was able to open that link. Good advice in there:thumbsup2:

Mr. Roz

11-12-2010, 07:32 AM

I've been too busy staring at this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/nono_33/IMG_0167.jpg

It's real blurry. I can't tell... Now what charity are you running for?:p

mickeyndvcfan

11-12-2010, 08:00 AM

I have good friends:hug1: If I was all of you, I might've given up on me yesterday:grin: I want to apologize for my mini-meltdown, I was a witch with a B, savvy?;)

Roz, I know I'm not the only injured person on the planet:grin: Didn't mean to sound that way. Like I tried to explain in text, training has been such an awesome distraction for me, to get my mind of stuff, and to not have it, is just another stress. Make any sense:confused24:
I'm off to read the link you posted for me.

Thanks, nono, Roz, DG, etc

:hug1: If walking is a distraction for you then don't stop. Just go out to WALK and don't put any stress on yourself to go faster and run more. Take it easy , enjoy the down time and don't think of it as training but as a form of relaxation. I have a feeling that you are putting to much extra stress on yourself to run more and faster. Maybe you are like me and do better with mostly walking. Sometimes I wish that I could run more but in the end all that matters is that I still have fun and finish the race. I just feel bad for everyone having to wait around for me at the finish line since they are soooo fast. I can't say that I know how frustrated you feel because I haven't experienced any of the injuries you have. Just remember that you have already done this once and when the time is right you will do it again. Glad you are feeling better today and can't wait to see you in Dec. :hug1:

athenna

11-12-2010, 08:07 AM

Thanks, Gail:hug1: That helped a lot, thank you so much:hug1:

Totally off topic question for you, what night are you & Roz @ the Candlelight Processional? Just curious which night it was.

nono

11-12-2010, 08:21 AM

OK, while the girls are all hugging, I'll go hang out in the corner with Mr. Roz. :p

It's real blurry. I can't tell... Now what charity are you running for?:p

Heh. I was (hey, what's 59-16 ??, oh yeah: 43!) 43 seconds away from a charity entry! Kind of a stinker of an entry...but at my age, you know, I have to take my shots when I have them! ;)

mickeyndvcfan

11-12-2010, 08:31 AM

Thanks, Gail:hug1: That helped a lot, thank you so much:hug1:

Totally off topic question for you, what night are you & Roz @ the Candlelight Processional? Just curious which night it was.

We will be there on Wed. night

MatterhornMiss

11-12-2010, 10:50 AM

Friday is my day off, so I have the ability to use a real computer! I'm going overboard using the multiquote :p

I guess I'm just scared that it's something serious and I can't continue running. Which would make me very very sad.

Oh my word, I know exactly how you feel. After last Oct's ITB problems, I am overly sensitive to any ache or pain or twinge of weakness, afraid that it will be the BIG ONE to put an end to my running. Every tendon ache I'm sure is a precursor to rupture. Every foot and shin pain I'm sure is indicative of a stress fracture.

So (and this is why I'm glad I've had such good success with sports med docs) for me, going to the MD recently was a relief. He actually told me all the aches I had was to be expected, as I was putting my body through so much stress, increasing the demand on it so rapidly (yes, I'm following a training schedule, but an article I read in Runners World, as well as Running Chi and MfM and now most recently this MD, all suggest that to decrease the risk of injury, I should be going much much slower). He actually gave me permission to run through the pain! He said he didn't want me to be discouraged from my training plan and that I was ready for the race. That was good to hear.

MM, I know you fought the good fight for the prize, but I think if we counted my injury days vs. yours, I would win by a landslide.

Well, I'm glad I at least got an honorable mention :grin:. I will say this about KT. I debated about getting it for a long while, very dubious it would help. I finally put some on a couple of days ago. It did nothing for my peroneous tendons (which is too bad, because they are a big problem), but I can feel a difference on my Achilles. Now, disclaimer, I haven't run in them because they started coming off as I was changing into my running clothes (two tips--they lose their stickiness if you take them off to reposition them, so get it right the first time, and be sure to round the corners because that helps keep them from peeling off as you move).

We are all in different places with different goals. Sometimes, indeed, you do have to set aside some of the mileposts and checkpoints that we use as goals, but your overall goal you are still achieving. You are becoming the best YOU that you can be. The physical side has been totally disheartening to you :hug1:. But, you've proven to yourself already that you can achieve some things you never thought possible.

nono, I am so glad you posted this. I know I have felt frustrated many times because I know my goals (at least for right now; I'm trying to stop saying "never" as my "nevers" seem to become realities to me) are very different from yours. I agree, Jen--go back and look at YOUR goals (another thing I like about MfM; at the beginning of the book as suggested I wrote down my goals and go back to that).

I know I'm not the only injured person on the planet:grin: Didn't mean to sound that way.

I never took it that way (I don't want to speak for others) but I know it certainly does FEEL that way when you are injured. Like I said, I was mad that others could keep running, and then post about how well things were going for them when I couldn't even go half a mile without my knee giving out.

:hug1: If walking is a distraction for you then don't stop. Just go out to WALK and don't put any stress on yourself to go faster and run more. Take it easy , enjoy the down time and don't think of it as training but as a form of relaxation. I have a feeling that you are putting to much extra stress on yourself to run more and faster. Maybe you are like me and do better with mostly walking. Sometimes I wish that I could run more but in the end all that matters is that I still have fun and finish the race.

Yes, Yes, YES!!!! Right on, Gail. I totally agree. I know I am not the fastest person out on the course, but I feel like it would be hard pressed to find someone who is having more fun out during the race. I'd rather be the last person to cross and still have a smile on my face, than be one of the first and disappointed because I felt I should've done better.

And I have found that I enjoy cheering runners on just as much as running myself. So never apologize that people have to "wait around" for you. It is a joy and a pleasure (though, if I actually am up to walking the OUC, you will probably be waiting for me!).

DisneyGeek

11-12-2010, 11:15 AM

New book alert...I'm asking Santa for this one:

Mastering the Marathon: Time-Efficient Training Secrets for the 40-Plus Athlete (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Marathon-Time-Efficient-Training-Secrets/dp/159921945X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1289566910&sr=1-1)

It came out in September, and I didn't know about it until I read a sidebar in Running Times. :blush:

Think it would also hold for those who are 35? :grin: I'm curious what you think about it. FYI, I just added MFM to my Amazon shopping cart; it's only $5.98 (by The Penguin; I'm looking at the right book aren't I?) and I've got some other stuff I plan to order soon [new credit card statement cycle just started today! ;)] so I can get Free SSS! :silly:

Need to go back and read some posts; we've had a bunch since I was on last!

nono

11-12-2010, 12:19 PM

nono, I am so glad you posted this. I know I have felt frustrated many times because I know my goals (at least for right now; I'm trying to stop saying "never" as my "nevers" seem to become realities to me) are very different from yours.

:) You know my running goals, but this is a segway I'll take to explain a bit more how they tie into a larger picture.

On the long drive back from Minnesota, at a rest stop bathroom, my little d turns to me while washing her hands and says, "I'm going to run marathons when I get older. But, I think I'll try to win them." :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: To have a little one entertain such great ideas, well, I feel like a successful mother in that moment!

She also reminds me of an earlier deal we made, which was when she's 25 and I'm 65, we're going to run the Rehoboth Marathon together. She always asks, "What will you do if I win and I beat you?" I tell her I'll be so excited for her and soooo proud! :woohoodance: This always garners warm :hug1:s.

I have always felt that the greatest gift my parents gave me was a love of sports participation, and now it is my turn to pass on the legacy.

nono

11-12-2010, 12:20 PM

Think it would also hold for those who are 35? :grin:

Hey, you'll age in soon enough. OK, that's another smarty pants over here in the corner with Mr. Roz and me....

DisneyGeek

11-12-2010, 02:40 PM

OK, that's another smarty pants over here in the corner with Mr. Roz and me....

At least I'm in good company! ;)

Best of luck to your dd nono! My brother feels he competes more with my dad before all their surgeries started (Dad & his knees, bro blowing his achilles tendon during a college track race (nationals?) held @ WDW of all places!). However, Kevin did tell me that he thinks our dad is really proud and happy I started running, so your previous theory about the seems to be holding true. :goodvibes:

Rozzie

11-12-2010, 02:52 PM

:) You know my running goals, but this is a segway I'll take to explain a bit more how they tie into a larger picture.

On the long drive back from Minnesota, at a rest stop bathroom, my little d turns to me while washing her hands and says, "I'm going to run marathons when I get older. But, I think I'll try to win them." :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: To have a little one entertain such great ideas, well, I feel like a successful mother in that moment!

She also reminds me of an earlier deal we made, which was when she's 25 and I'm 65, we're going to run the Rehoboth Marathon together. She always asks, "What will you do if I win and I beat you?" I tell her I'll be so excited for her and soooo proud! :woohoodance: This always garners warm :hug1:s.

I have always felt that the greatest gift my parents gave me was a love of sports participation, and now it is my turn to pass on the legacy.

This is a great post. BTW, I am soooo there for Rehoboth Part II. I always say how great it would be to go back there where my marathon journey began. How neat it would be to see D and you running together. :goodvibes:

As for goals and journey's, I didn't just wake up one morning and decide on BQ training. The first year of my running, My goal was to finish a Half Marathon. The second year I was running, I my goal was to finish a Marathon. Third year of my running, well I am wanting more than to "just finish" things. But I say all this to say this--we will all have different goals because we are all on different pages. The most important thing is that we have A GOAL that we are aiming towards. Stretch ourselves, as Lisa says, take ourselves out of the comfort zone. Push through the bad times, always looking forward to the next good run.

Speaking of bad runs, I had a terrible one last night. (someone remind me never to have a "garbage" burger ever again...) Just 4 miles and I barely cracked a 10:00 pace. Everything just felt awful, like I was drugged. I was running alone on a soccer field, sun was setting. Feeling sorry for myself and then my ITB started killing me. More pain than I have felt in while. I got pissed and was thinking--I really should start running barefoot to see if that will help. Then I had a "Ahhhaa" moment. Why not now? Stop talking about it, do it. So I stopped mid stride, threw off my shoes and finished the sunset running barefoot strides on the grass. I felt alive again, and you know what else? My ITB pain went instantly away. Put my shoes back on and no more pain. Mmmmn, maybe Coach Nono knows what she is talking about. I have decided to officially add barefoot strides in at least 1x a week. For those ITB sufferers, just food for thought. Barefoot may be something that will help. It was amazing how the minute I took off my shoes the pain was gone. :idea:

nono

11-12-2010, 04:27 PM

. Everything just felt awful, like I was drugged.

<snip>

Mmmmn, maybe Coach Nono knows what she is talking about.

Yep. You were drugged! :grin:

(Remember, I'm not sitting in the hugging corner, I'm in the one liners corner, but cool anyway!)

cloudnut220

11-13-2010, 06:46 AM

On the long drive back from Minnesota, at a rest stop bathroom, my little d turns to me while washing her hands and says, "I'm going to run marathons when I get older. But, I think I'll try to win them." :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: To have a little one entertain such great ideas, well, I feel like a successful mother in that moment!

She also reminds me of an earlier deal we made, which was when she's 25 and I'm 65, we're going to run the Rehoboth Marathon together. She always asks, "What will you do if I win and I beat you?" I tell her I'll be so excited for her and soooo proud! :woohoodance: This always garners warm :hug1:s.

I have always felt that the greatest gift my parents gave me was a love of sports participation, and now it is my turn to pass on the legacy.

nono-that's awesome!

so after a two day lay off, I'm pain free but I think I'm being a real pain in the you know what to Noel (DH). I'm really antsy with no exercise. And I'm all worried my legs will have "forgotten" how to run. Gah!

jrbdad

11-13-2010, 06:50 AM

nono-that's awesome!

so after a two day lay off, I'm pain free but I think I'm being a real pain in the you know what to Noel (DH). I'm really antsy with no exercise. And I'm all worried my legs will have "forgotten" how to run. Gah!

I know how you feel -- after my couple of day lay off -- I was driving DW crazy. You'll be OK after the first couple of steps. Enjoy :goodvibes:

cloudnut220

11-13-2010, 06:50 AM

withdisneyspirit

11-13-2010, 06:59 AM

Reading MFM -- you know, the whole concept of warm-ups was foreign to me -- so yesterday I walked five minutes, then ran 35, then walked five more. This could help. :D

My first big laugh in catching up on the thread :rotfl2: Love it, John!!!

:hug1: If walking is a distraction for you then don't stop. Just go out to WALK and don't put any stress on yourself to go faster and run more. Take it easy , enjoy the down time and don't think of it as training but as a form of relaxation. I have a feeling that you are putting to much extra stress on yourself to run more and faster. Maybe you are like me and do better with mostly walking. Sometimes I wish that I could run more but in the end all that matters is that I still have fun and finish the race. I just feel bad for everyone having to wait around for me at the finish line since they are soooo fast. I can't say that I know how frustrated you feel because I haven't experienced any of the injuries you have. Just remember that you have already done this once and when the time is right you will do it again. Glad you are feeling better today and can't wait to see you in Dec. :hug1:

This is awesome, Gail. You put into words exactly what I would have wanted to say!!! :hug1: Good work, lady! I also loved what MM said in response about finishing with a smile on your face being wonderful instead of finishing earlier with all kinds of recriminations for yourself! I am okay now with the idea of not being a fast finisher but always doing my best, whatever that is (like nono said too)!!! :goodvibes::goodvibes:

FYI, I just added MFM to my Amazon shopping cart; it's only $5.98 (by The Penguin; I'm looking at the right book aren't I?)

That's the one! John Bingham has been going through a long term injury and seeing the light at the end of the tunnel too :) I friended him on FB and its cool to read about such a long time runner coming back again from his injury!

:) You know my running goals, but this is a segway I'll take to explain a bit more how they tie into a larger picture.

On the long drive back from Minnesota, at a rest stop bathroom, my little d turns to me while washing her hands and says, "I'm going to run marathons when I get older. But, I think I'll try to win them." :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: To have a little one entertain such great ideas, well, I feel like a successful mother in that moment!

She also reminds me of an earlier deal we made, which was when she's 25 and I'm 65, we're going to run the Rehoboth Marathon together. She always asks, "What will you do if I win and I beat you?" I tell her I'll be so excited for her and soooo proud! :woohoodance: This always garners warm :hug1:s.

I have always felt that the greatest gift my parents gave me was a love of sports participation, and now it is my turn to pass on the legacy.

This gets the prize for my favorite story of the day! What wonderful stuff, nono! I'd love to be there for that Rehoboth too! Y'all could greet me at the end; your d will have to wait around for me the longest though, lol!

OKAY, Rozzie, I'm in your corner - I think you won the most injured! :w00t: Don't feel the need to keep it up though, missy

jrbdad

11-13-2010, 07:09 AM

Beth-

I feel my blood sugar going up just reading your post.

Hoping to get a run in this afternoon -- but it is cool and rainy here today and tomorrow.

It was so nice to run on Thursday though -- my blood sugar was down 10% (actually in a non-diabetic's range) the whole day. It really makes a big difference for me.

Lisa-

Yes -- I was one of those that thought a "warm-up" was a quick session of stretching, then hit the road, as fast as I could for as long as I could. Ummm, I'm old and brittle, so that boat don't float. MFM has already been good for me from that perspective.

Books a Million has a Member Only sale today -- going to go look at another book or two. They had one from Jeff Galloway on "Running until you are 100" - kind of like the sound of that :)

withdisneyspirit

11-13-2010, 07:22 AM

AND I went to not one but TWO baking demos yesterday offered by my favorite flour company (King Arthur Flour) and now I desperately want to make pie or cinnamon rolls. Normally, I would go out for a run to kill this baking urge. But today...bad baking things may happen today. ;)

Oh oh oh, Beth! Sounds very dangerous at your house! I also adore King Arthur flour - kinda jealous of your baking demo fun :D:eating:

Beth-

It was so nice to run on Thursday though -- my blood sugar was down 10% (actually in a non-diabetic's range) the whole day. It really makes a big difference for me.

Lisa-

Yes -- I was one of those that thought a "warm-up" was a quick session of stretching, then hit the road, as fast as I could for as long as I could. Ummm, I'm old and brittle, so that boat don't float. MFM has already been good for me from that perspective.

Books a Million has a Member Only sale today -- going to go look at another book or two. They had one from Jeff Galloway on "Running until you are 100" - kind of like the sound of that :)

Good for you, John! I like the sound of that book too :w00t:

Rozzie

11-13-2010, 08:11 AM

Did someone say King Arthur flour? :listen: Beth, what time should I come over? I am dying to make (okay Mr Roz) these Pumpkin walnut muffins I saw in our Mayo Clinic cookbook. Surely they wouldn't be that bad, right?

My 8 mile run this morning was blahhhhh. Started out great but then the hills really took it out of my legs. Can't figure it out, is it because I missed yoga this week? I have a 18 miler in the morning that I am starting to obsess about. It's a heavy mileage week and I think my body is just adjusting. Will do some light 30 min yoga dvd after Mr Roz heads to work, there is a class at Y at 9:30, but I think my body may be even more tired after a 75 min class. :blush:

In other news, my favorite shoes that I could kiss are on closeout at Running Warehouse. $59 (a $40 savings!!) I will now have to pairs in boxes on the shelf....and I wonder why we are broke all the time....this running is expensive!! as she types she admires the coziness of new fuzzy UA fleece she has on...it was on clearance too...

John, good job on the warmup!! I was like you too, I never knew anything about a warm up, cool down, anything. This is all a journey and soon you will have your own "system" that your body likes best. I don't know if anyone answered your question about "what's the OUC?" It's a HM some of us are meeting up for in Orlando first weekend in Dec. I found it in a magazine, it's downtown Orlando. For $45, we get a long sleeve tech, medal, and most importantly A BEER GARDEN!! :biggulp:

Oh one more thing, Mama Gail, love what you wrote too. BUT NO MORE of this feeling bad for taking a while to get to the finish. You are my rock, and there is no way I could imagine you not being there. My calming force, and also Mr Roz's and I referee when we try to kill each other from nerves before these big races. ;) (Yes, folks she has come close to sitting in between us to defuse our temper/nerves)

jrbdad

11-13-2010, 08:21 AM

The OUC sounds great - hope everyone has a wonderful time and will post lots of pictures.
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cloudnut220

11-13-2010, 10:42 AM

If we're ever all in the same place at the same time, I'm totally going to have to do some Peacock baked goods! Guess it would have to be after a race so everyone could eat guilt free!!

I'll have to brainstorm on something that could travel well for WDW Marathon Weekend. We're in a studio, so no actual baking can occur at WDW.

mickeyndvcfan

11-13-2010, 12:02 PM

MatterhornMiss

11-13-2010, 02:26 PM

11 Miler today and ITB just as bad today as it was last week. So my taper I think will consist mainly of yoga and the elliptical. I am fighting off discouragement. I am rereading MfM and am trying to remember his motto that it takes more courage to make it to the start than to get to the finish.
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MatterhornMiss

11-13-2010, 03:05 PM

All right I've been having a talk with myself and am more than okay with doing crosstraining instead of running. After all a taper is about recovery. Why do I need to put so much pressure on me NOW? I also am trying to remember that how I feel right now probably isn't how I'll feel in two weeks.
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cloudnut220

11-13-2010, 03:05 PM

MM-You can do it! We'll all be thinking about you.

Starting to get a bit panicky about the 10k? Why do I do this? I know I can go the distance, why the nervousness? :confused:

jrbdad

11-13-2010, 03:18 PM

MM - wow! 11 miles. Incredible - I can dream. Sorry about your IT Band issues.
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Rozzie

11-13-2010, 04:52 PM

Beth, good luck!! The race is tomorrow, right? Just remember to relax and have fun. Don't start out too fast, let your body ease into the pace. You will do GREAT!

MM, oh boy. I think you are doing right by focusing on the XT. It has been my experience that everything hurts in taper. Remember how my body went crap in Sept? Just keep thinking positive, you will be okay. You have gone the distance.

I decided against yoga and core work today. Felt so blahhh and achy. Took a 10 min ice bath, and then got everything compression recovery thing I own on. Yep, tights, tape, sleeves and took 2 hr nap. Woke up to achy ITB, But overall better. This is as much mental as it is physical. We need a sports psychologist on this thread--I will chip in LOL!
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nono

11-13-2010, 06:38 PM

Enduring a joyless day filled with taper woes and hormonal issues.

Merde.

Oh yeah Got a short run in, with a bit more on the TM. Then a bit more on the TM (not in my log yet -- maybe never).

Going to bed early I think...

jrbdad

11-13-2010, 06:56 PM

Rozzie

11-13-2010, 07:34 PM

I know you all don't want to hear about each & every run - but this was two in a row "pain-free" - well, a little tightness in that knee - but nothin really.

Walked 5, ran 35, walked 5. I only count the mileage during the run - 3.65 miles.

First time on a track. Comfortable, but boring. Went out way too fast and had a hard time pulling back - no hills. Average pace of 9:37 - first mile was about 8 minutes - oops.
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Who says we don't want to hear about every run? Type away, you will not be alone. When I am having "issues" I tend to post about every run and every single thought that I had in my head during the run. DG will always make us look normal though, he shares his spreadsheet magic with us daily. (love ya Brother Peacock! :grin:)

DisneyGeek

11-13-2010, 09:09 PM

MM- Sounds smart on the cross to me as well. Keep your spirit up and have a great race- just show up and start then you've met that goal!!! :woohoodance:

CN- Hope your 10k is awesome! :fingerscrossed: Looking forward to hearing about it.

JRB- Nice job on finding things that work for you! :cheerleader:

Roz- Barefoot fixes ITB? :scratchchin: Hmmmmmm... Not sure I'm ready to try that myself yet, but a very interesting theory. Hey, if it works for you & nono and some really good Kenyans how bad can it be? :confused:

DG will always make us look normal though, he shares his spreadsheet magic with us daily. (love ya Brother Peacock! :grin:)

Thanks sis! ;) Don't want to disappoint, so I'll try a hybrid post of my numbers & thoughts: Soar throat is thankfully getting better. Starting up with a head cold though; tired, stuffy, a little coughing, but mostly just feeling BLAH. Beautiful day outside- didn't want to waste it. MM's quote is SOOO dead on- getting started is always the hardest part! I ordered the book right before I started reading here BTW! :rotfl2:

Finally dragged myself out the door and started about an hour before sunset :blush:. Thankfully there is this thing called civil twilight so I could still see long enough to make it home! :D I did my "Liberty Route" (the name of the street I turn around at as the furthest point from my house before I start looping back and snacking around side streets until I do my sprint past the house). Hands felt cold all day, including start of the run despite it being 67 according to the weather widget on my computer. Started warming up as I ran, but breathing started getting rougher and rougher, especially if I tried to drink or down a Fruit Gem- my nose didn't want to exhale! :silly: But, at least it wasn't an asthma attack. Ended up leaving me a bit slow, but oh well. About 4.75 miles my hip started yelling at me, but then it died down again. With my warm up & cool down I did 7.36 miles in 1:22:55.67 burning 1177 cal. Excluding warm up (~0.16 mile walk) & cool down (walk 3+ minutes and until HR <= 110) I did 7.07 miles in 1:17:05.98. I was doing roughly run 3 min / walk 1 minute intervals, but sometimes I had to fudge those numbers around swigs of Propel or downing each of three Fruit Gems due to the afore mentioned breathing issues. :rolleyes: Ended up with an average pace of 10:54, burning 1135 cal [but I'm actually heavier than I have my Garmin set to so in reality I burned more than that...] and an average heart rate of 140 BPM. My sprint at the end wasn't too bad at least- 343.27 feet in 18.77 - average pace 4:48; max speed 13.3 MPH. :thumbsup2:

Still doing my ITB stretching several times a day and up until I started today's run I was doing a lot better... Actually, it isn't too bad now and was coming and going during the run itself. Mostly my hip and not so much my knee; don't know if that is good or bad. :confused24: I am also working on committing myself to squats 5 days a week; none on Sat. (long run) or Sunday (swim & 'impact recovery') or if I take a full blown rest day for some reason. The last two days I did 21 each side, no extra resistance. I think it might be best to try and keep leg strength symmetrical to avoid causing more injuries by being unbalanced. Dunno if that make biomechanical sense or not, but I had to pick something! :p

Heading to bed now; sleep will hopefully be good for shaking the cold! :wave:

DisneyGeek

11-13-2010, 09:12 PM

Anyone here use Nike+ to keep track of your runs?

Not sure how many people responded, but I meant to say that as far as hardware goes a lot of Peacocks use Garmin Forerunners. CN has one of the smaller watch-style units, and many of the rest of us (myself & DW included) have the 305...

OK, really gonna' go to bed now! :tomato:

cloudnut220

11-14-2010, 03:39 AM

Thought I would come over here while I choked down my oatmeal this morning. Yes, the nerves seem to be winning. I had a fitful night of sleep last night and now we're up way early to leave the house at 6AM for a 8AM race. I'm already slightly annoyed with the race directors for having a race with an 8AM start on a day DC metro doesn't open until 7 (therefore making it impossible to ride Metro to the race, which is only important when you realize that there is NO PARKING on site, argh). I just keep telling myself this is good practice for WDW....

I'll be back with a report later.

MatterhornMiss

11-14-2010, 05:35 AM

Good luck CN! Have FUN!
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MatterhornMiss

11-14-2010, 07:52 AM

Since I am now just two weeks out I can start obsessing about the forecast. I know I shouldn't even look for another week since I know FL weather forecasts tend to change at least daily. Right now it's not too bad. Lows in the low 50s and highs in the mid 60s and rain. I don't mind rain as long as it's not heavy. An overcast day with a cooling mist isn't bad.

I'm hopeful that my ITB feels better today. Yesterday I would keep the ice on until it started from that but I think it worked.
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jrbdad

11-14-2010, 08:31 AM

OK - finished MFM, but a little confused. Maybe the experts here can help?

Looking at the training plans and not sure what to do? Thinkin I may be best suited for the half-marathon plan, but don't have on scheduled. Is there a "maintenance" plan? Then when I find something close I can train accordingly? Still thinking I'll start off watching for a 5K or even a 10K close to home.

Thought? Ideas? Suggestions?

TIA
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cloudnut220

11-14-2010, 09:46 AM

Rozzie

11-14-2010, 09:58 AM

Okay, we're done! According to my Garmin, I finished just under an hour 59.40 on a course just over 6.4 miles. Chip time was 60.02, official pace 9.40. Not sure how that works :-( and I'll be honest, I'm a bit dispointed. At least (I think) it's good enough to get me out of the last corral at WDW. I'm just mad about those 20 seconds!
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Congrats Beth!! :cheerleader: You beat my first 10K time by several minutes. I think I had 1:04:00? Just think where you will be with another year of this. You did awesome and now it's nice to reward yourself!! BTW, my Garmin is never accurate against a certified course, you will pick up extra mileage by just how you do the turns and how many times you weave. I know my last marathon was almost 27 miles! :blush:

John, let me think about your question and get back to you later. My legs and brain are dead after a very hard 18 miler...

cloudnut220

11-14-2010, 10:25 AM

Don't worry I'm celebrating...with some buffalo chicken pizza and a dogfish head punkin ale!

And I ran the whole thing with (I think) negative splits (not home yet to know). Amazing progress for me!

Ps- the race winner finished in 28 minutes--amazing!
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withdisneyspirit

11-14-2010, 10:31 AM

You did awesome, Beth! I am very impressed and Rozzie's right about weaving around other runners and adding mileage! Enjoy your celebratory treats =)
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Mr. Roz

11-14-2010, 11:08 AM

CN- GReat running!:rocker:. The thing about those 20 seconds, they will push you along until your next race. I missed the hour by 19 seconds on my first 10K and it burned at me for some time. But thats a good thing. Just go back and look at where you can improve. Enjoy the race though. That's the main thing.

Jrbdad- Look at what weekly mileage the plan starts on and target that. You are already doing 20 plus a week right? Keep that and add some mileage every few weeks if your feeling it. Go into the plan with a sound base built up. JMHO. I think that you have a good pace already and have a good foundation to build on.

DisneyGeek

11-14-2010, 12:31 PM

JRB- I personally don't believe in following someone else's plan verbatim; I like to make my own. :silly: However, I do use other people's heavily for input! I've posted it before but maybe not since you joined the thread; here is my current base/maintenance plan to use between races:

Plan:

Sat.: "Long" run; 7 miles -or- 63 minutes treadmill
Sun: Swim 1800 yards (just over a mile)
Mon.: Crunches, 30 min. elliptical, squats
Tue & Thurs: "Short" run; 3.25 miles -or- 30 min. treadmill + squats
Wed. & Fri: Crunches, Weights, 16 min. elliptical, squats

Notes:

All runs are excluding warm up & cool down walks.
Crunches = 210 total; 70 crossing left, 70 center, 70 crossing right
Squats = 42 reps total, 21 per leg {eventually add additional weight?}
Weights = 3 sets of 12 reps chest press, chest fly, and biceps curls, plus 3x15 reps lat pull down (this takes nominally 15 minutes)
Elliptical time doesn't include 1+ minute and minimum resistance as a cool down, but DOES include starting with moderate resistance as a pseudo warm up; crunches already get cardiovascular system kicked up and weights keep me sweating as applicable...

Design Criteria:

Target around 30 minutes of 'main' exercise daily, except for doubling that on Saturdays for my weekly long training session
Recover with lower impact after short runs; try for no impact (swim) after long one
Alternate upper body stress (swim & weights) with lower body (runs)
I used to use the elliptical 7 days a week when i first decide to start getting in shape, so I consider it neutral & low impact; a safe thing to toss in and fairly flat for upper vs. lower body
Don't do any squats after my long run or swim day; I'm giving my poor legs some recovery time from bearing that weight!

[Incidentally, no, I'm not that fast on the mill yet for my sessions on it to equal the outdoor distance. BUT- I'm working towards it! :rolleyes: Goal is to stop doing intervals and get down to a steady 9 min. mile pace (or less???) indoors or out through distances up to 20 mile training runs before full Marathon in Jan. 2012... While doing that I also plan to up myself gradually to more base exercise; eventually around 45 minutes M-F and 10 miles / 90 minutes Saturday, 2100 yard swim on Sundays. After or while I reach that, I plan to start adding additional miles on alternating Saturdays, peaking at 20 miles when I get close to said Marathon. Hey, a Geek can dream, right? ;)FYI, I'm going to start codifying all that into one of my apparently infamous spreadsheets soon.]

CN- Congrats on the 10k; sounds like ya' did great to me! :cheerleader: I agree with the Rozes- chips vs. watch usually vary, at least a little. For example, which mat did you hit your Garmin at? I personally try to use my watch conservatively so my chip time is better; i.e. start watch immediately before 1st mat @ start & stop after last one at finish! As for distance, not following straight lines, cover (trees, bridges, tunnels) and many other things can through them off. I usually run streets with very few turns and limited cover, and I get very consistent results. Plus, since you have a smaller unit, that = smaller antenna, which = less gain, which ends up equaling less accuracy IMHO. :grin: Time to switch laundry around, ITB stretch (forgot to so far today! :tomato:) and head to the pool!

Roz- Sorry it was a rough run...

MM- I hope you are feeling better too! :thumbsup2:

Rozzie

11-14-2010, 02:02 PM

MM, how is the ITB today? 2 weeks is not too early to obsess about weather. Heck, I was thinking about weather today for OUC and it's 3 weeks out. Just know, now that you are in the South--that no matter what weather you have you will be READY for it. That is one plus for living south of the Mason Dixon. We are trained for warmer race days.

John, not a expert, but I would offer my 2 cents. We also write out (or Mr Roz does) our own schedule when we are not following a "plan". The main thing is you want to be flexible. Don't be a slave to it, but it's good to have it planned ahead to motivate. Nothing like that feeling of seeing day after day runs being crossed off. I would write it out for a month at a time. Do a goal for the week. Say you want to work up to 30 miles a week in 2 months. (just example) Do week 1 at 20, week 2 at 22 mies, week 3 23 miles, then week 4 have a step back week, and do 18-20 miles again. It's important to have a step back week every 3-4 weeks for recovery. Especially when you are increasing mileage. The rule of thumb I think no more than 10% a week. You can always follow the MfM HM plan too, it would be a great way to build a good base. Who knows, you might find a HM at the end of the schedule, or at least a 10K. GL!

Speaking of warmer race days, and general suffering, my 18 miler honked this morning. Probably one of the worst runs in recent memory. The thing that gets my goat is I felt GREAT first few miles, and blew it trying to maintain a faster pace than what I should have been doing. (8:51, racing the Garmin :rolleyes:) It was a very hard lesson to learn, but overall I think I did only what I could do when I decided enough being stupid. At mile 11, we stopped, got some water and walked for about 5 min to clear our heads. Reset Garmin and had a new run. The return home, final 7 miles sucked, all uphill and the sun was beating down, humidity about 90%, heat index in 80s. We didn't have water (dodo birds) and just had to suck it up. If I had seen a cab I would have hailed it in a heartbeat. The good news is, if there is any, we managed to do a progression run on way home. So it ended on a positive note, but I hated every step. I just knew that this type of run will make me just so much more appreciate the runs where everything is firing on all cyclinders. I share this to say thank you to all of you, as I thought about every single one of you when I was talking to myself about quitting running--forever!! I got over my tantrum, miles in the bank, and better running days are ahead. :) (ice bath and pumpkin pancakes do wonders for a sour mood)

mickeyndvcfan

11-14-2010, 02:48 PM

Rozzie

11-14-2010, 03:40 PM

Got my ten miles done today...I only ran for a couple of minutes so you can say that I just walked the whole ten miles....now for me this is a big deal because I did the ten miles with a 14:42 pace according to my garmin. Felt good except that my blister that I had for the AF half started again..WTF. Roz, it's not as bad as it was after the AF half. Have no idea why this started happening....hopefully I can figure it out before the OUC half. The weather here was perfect for a ten miler...

CN---congratulations....great race!

Mama Gail, we need to get this under control pronto. Do you have any moleskin? Try instead of glide putting a big piece of moleskin on the blister area. Do you still wear the wright socks? They should be the best kind. I would wear the moleskin from here on out and see if it makes the hot spot go down. This is weird! :(

ETA:
For those of us who struggle with the holidays and eating..http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/weighteffect.php

mickeyndvcfan

11-14-2010, 04:06 PM

Yea, I still wear my Wright socks. Will get som moleskin and try that for my 8 miler next weekend
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DisneyGeek

11-14-2010, 05:26 PM

Interesting idea with the calculator Roz, but it is only showing a +/- 4 pound swing; that isn't much. That usually happens to me within any given week, worse for game night (more salt & water in + less sleep than usual = up to 10 pounds more in the morning! But that drops off after a couple days of more normal eating... :silly:) Chinese on Tuesday usually adds ~2-4 pounds...

Does anyone out there really have a weight that is so stable that 4 pounds is a noticeable & predictable change? :confused24:

Swim was pretty good; not especially fast, but laps under my belt! ;)

jrbdad

11-14-2010, 05:33 PM

Great ideas -- thank you all so much!

Walked 5, ran 40, walked 5 today -- pace of 9:38, 4.2 miles. Felt GREAT!

Traveling for work tomorrow, hope to hit the treadmill tomorrow night at the hotel.

Rozzie

11-14-2010, 05:54 PM

Does anyone out there really have a weight that is so stable that 4 pounds is a noticeable & predictable change? :confused24:

That's a big swing! Are you weighing in the same time everyday? I might weigh 3 lbs more if I weigh in afternoons, evenings, but I never do. I weight same time every morning, same scale, before run. (I also weigh post run nude to calcuate hydration status) My weight has stayed within in a lb past couple weeks. The only time I notice a big overnight gain is when I eat something with too much sodium. Then if I am "good" for a day or two and drink lots of water I can wash out the bloat. I think you (if you were asking me my honest opinion ;)) are taking into too much sodium to be having such a big difference.

A 5lb gain is a big deal if you are running distances. Carry a 5lb dumbell for 4 hours and it will make a believer out of you. :blech:

DisneyGeek

11-14-2010, 06:03 PM

I wake up, go to the bathroom, and weigh myself nude every morning then record the weight as my official for the day. Usually that works out to the same time or close to it during the week; I generally try to sleep in some on the weekends unless I'm playing at church that Sunday. I agree about sodium being a likely cause; it makes sense with the Game Night anti-diet and Terriaki Sauce & such with Chinese... :eating: However, I'm not willing to cut those. It is hard enough to "be good" and try to eat healthy the majority of the time. How you and many others go even further in nearly constant healthy eating w/o many salty snacks or foods and never any HFCS sometimes just boggles my mind! :eek: Granted it may very well be a lot healthier if you can do it and not feel totally miserable! :thumbsup2:

MatterhornMiss

11-14-2010, 06:04 PM

Gail I had a podiatrist tell me to rub a dry bar of soap over my blister prone areas to help reduce the friction. I've never tried it so I can't comment on its effectiveness. My blisters are pretty much callouses at this point so I don't bother.

My ITB is a little better. There is still pain and weakness but I feel I am moving forward.

As to being prepared I've already started making a packing list. It's a good thing I have an OL because I don't think anything else will fit in my bag. I learned from the Princess. I thought I had packed enough to cover a range of temps but my sis and I ended up buying gloves at the expo and I wore as earwarmers one of the 3 pack of Little Miss Matched knee socks she bought at 8pm the night before the race (she only had shorts).

CN you did a great job! If you did your best today then you have nothing to regret.
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MatterhornMiss

11-14-2010, 06:07 PM

So Roz (just to show how well I've been paying attention) are you running a HM LR on Sat and a full LR on Sun?
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Rozzie

11-14-2010, 06:21 PM

So Roz (just to show how well I've been paying attention) are you running a HM LR on Sat and a full LR on Sun?
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To train for Goofy yes. We split the longest distance on Sunday for Sat. For example, we did 8 yesterday, and did 18 today. (okay not a equal split but it's close...) Next week we will do 8 and 16, then OUC. Then 7 and 14 again, 10 and 20, 6 and 14 (14 will be MP), 4 and 8, then Goofy.

We kinda took something from about 3 different plans. Only going to 20 once, and I may scale that down to 18 depending on how I feel...

Happy Packing MM, I am so excited for you!! I know you will be successful at this, the rest is just details. :)

DG, don't you know it's quality in, quality out? :poke:

cloudnut220

11-14-2010, 06:26 PM

That's a big swing! Are you weighing in the same time everyday? I might weigh 3 lbs more if I weigh in afternoons, evenings, but I never do. I weight same time every morning, same scale, before run. (I also weigh post run nude to calcuate hydration status) My weight has stayed within in a lb past couple weeks. The only time I notice a big overnight gain is when I eat something with too much sodium. Then if I am "good" for a day or two and drink lots of water I can wash out the bloat. I think you (if you were asking me my honest opinion ;)) are taking into too much sodium to be having such a big difference.

A 5lb gain is a big deal if you are running distances. Carry a 5lb dumbell for 4 hours and it will make a believer out of you. :blech:

A weight gain can be really noticeable depending on your frame too. I'm 5'3. 5 pounds is a LOT of weight on me, and honestly, probably the difference between feeling good in my clothes and feeling heavy. And DG--Once you give up all that stuff, you feel so much better it doesn't feel like deprivation. Really.

And now for the fun stuff...a few race photos:

It was BEAUTIFUL on the Mall this morning. Nice and cool!

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8mFkijJakQ4/TOAzXf-umBI/AAAAAAABWno/h7pGSZcAVq8/s640/DSC_0026.JPG

At the start:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8mFkijJakQ4/TOAzZcEBVPI/AAAAAAABWpM/S4ZGKzEetvM/s640/DSC_0032.JPG

Right before I took off to sprint for the finish (my friend Carlos is bib 1333):

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8mFkijJakQ4/TOAznK7ib6I/AAAAAAABWwg/L12qXUWcS34/s640/DSC_0063.JPG

Our "Rocky" shot on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial after the race:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8mFkijJakQ4/TOAzwYeCpYI/AAAAAAABW18/AKkOm_vEXy4/s640/DSC_0085.JPG

And one more beautiful picture:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8mFkijJakQ4/TOAz1dDLwyI/AAAAAAABW4Y/Uor1676YH1Y/s640/DSC_0096.JPG

Thank you all so much for your well wishes on the race. I'm really enjoying racing because it's giving me solid goals--I want my next 10k to be faster! This stuff is addicting, and I may be getting hooked!

jrbdad

11-14-2010, 07:17 PM

Wonderful pictures!
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DisneyGeek

11-14-2010, 08:52 PM

I agree on the wonderfulness of the pics; thanks CN!

As for GIGO & not missing things, well, maybe. I can't imagine not missing chips & candy though. :eek: However, I've cut WAYYYYYYYYY back on both, and took out sugar sweetened beverages & fruit juices almost 100% already and survived. But when is enough enough? It seems like there never is an end, and that is just terribly depressing to me. :boohoohoo: Any goal I ever hit just leads to something new to do, never an end, never does it really feel like success because something new just comes along (be it food, exercise, work, everything)! I guess that is the nature of life and SOMETIMES it is motivating and exciting, but right now it feels kinda' pointless & hopeless... Oh well- need to try and get myself out of the funk I'm in I guess. Maybe tomorrow I'll be on the upswing! Changing seasons and the time change tends to get to me so it isn't really unexpected. Anywho, time to put away some laundry quickly, toss clean sheets on the bed and try and get a few winks before starting the daily grind again in the morning! :grin:

nono

11-15-2010, 02:58 AM

cloudnut!!!!! Way to go!!!!!!! :yahoo: Great photos too!!!

Geek, sometimes, with you....:headbrickwall:. :) Regarding the bad eating, we're not living in a base 2 world. There's more than on/off. How about a month with no chips/candy as a yearly cleanse? You may find after a year or two, you are willing to choose to feel the "other" way (how your bod feels without that junk in your system) more frequently.

Or how 'bout making your own chips and candy? With the ingredients you choose? No hidden this or that. Esp. dyes... And, if you make your own stuff, just for your home, you don't ever need it shelf-stable, so HFCS isn't even in the equation.

Just something to stew on for ya.

Been up for an hour...unmotivated to go downstairs and weigh in...Rozzie's calculator link has totally demoralized me for Sunday's race. :( Esp. when other experts are telling me I should be carb loading for the week. :oweye:

nono

11-15-2010, 03:01 AM

I only ran for a couple of minutes

Yes, but when you do it, you always do it with such good form! :goodvibes: Anyone who ever gets the chance to participate in a race with Gail should try to catch a look at her form when she does do a run interval. It's textbook good!!!

nono

11-15-2010, 03:04 AM

Since I am now just two weeks out I can start obsessing about the forecast.

6 days 'til Phila. Haven't a clue...:confused24: I'm so tired of repacking before races due to fluctuating weather reports, I'll decide on Thurs. night. And include alternates!

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 04:53 AM

Or how 'bout making your own chips and candy? With the ingredients you choose? No hidden this or that. Esp. dyes... And, if you make your own stuff, just for your home, you don't ever need it shelf-stable, so HFCS isn't even in the equation.

You gave me this advice about a year ago, and it really changed how I looked at food. I can still have yummy good stuff, just make sure it's "clean". Instead of french fries of McDonalds I have homemade sweet potato fries baked with olive oil, basil and thyme. Yum, no comparison. If I want something sweet, we bake it using whole wheat flour. If we want a tall stack of pancakes, we make them using a whole cuppard full of different spices. Yum. No more instant oatmeal, just had some steel cut oatmeal with walnuts, 4 or 5 raisins, and a spoon full of maple organic syrup from Vt along with a few pieces of turkey sausage.

DG, I think you get the picture. Yes eating can be enjoyed, just make sure you are doing your body right. Do you read the ingredients labels on some of that shelf stuff? :eek: I like Nono's idea of giving it up for a month, and then just seeing how you feel. I know I feel like night and day when I am eating clean vs. not eating clean.

Nono, I think I made a booboo with the weight calculator by posting it before everyones big race. (Hindsight 20/20) I was just so excited to finally find something like that I could play around with to motivate me in times of "need" before OUC. Just think how much fun you will have proving the calculator wrong. Besides you are tougher, faster, and stronger than that silly thing that is probably as inaccurate as the day is long.

Same goes for you too MM! Don't let numbers on a scale steal your confidence, you have earned your confidence on the road!! :)

cloudnut220

11-15-2010, 05:37 AM

Geek, sometimes, with you....:headbrickwall:. :) Regarding the bad eating, we're not living in a base 2 world. There's more than on/off. How about a month with no chips/candy as a yearly cleanse? You may find after a year or two, you are willing to choose to feel the "other" way (how your bod feels without that junk in your system) more frequently.

Or how 'bout making your own chips and candy? With the ingredients you choose? No hidden this or that. Esp. dyes... And, if you make your own stuff, just for your home, you don't ever need it shelf-stable, so HFCS isn't even in the equation.

DG-I agree with nono's advice 100 percent! What works for me is limiting myself to homemade "treats". If you look at my blog, there's no shortage of delicious food over there--and it's not all "healthy"! But it's all about moderation--if I stay out of the store bought garbage at work, I don't feel as bad about making and having whole wheat applesauce brownies that I made and ate last night! I know exactly what was in those brownies, so I can have one, satisfy my craving, and then I share them so they don't hang around. I never buy cookies or chips--I don't need that garbage and keeping it out of the house helps me tremendously!

And I really believe if you cut back on eating out (especially at chain restaurants but really everywhere) and on processed foods, your body will really quickly adjust to lower sodium levels to a point that you won't WANT the salt. I can't stomach most fast food anymore because of the salt...I take one bite and go "this is disgustingly salty".

Really this works...I used to be the queen of junk food! I do still occassionally crave fries, or a dunkin donut, or whatever, but usually after the fact I feel awful, so I feel those cravings coming less and less.

I know I'll say this more than once this week--but I'll be thinking about nono and MM as you get ready for your races!

DisneyGeek

11-15-2010, 06:00 AM

Thanks nono, Roz, & CN. Sorry I drive everyone nuts sometimes! Maybe I really just need to learn to :covermouth: occasionally... :rolleyes: You all have good points, and actually I have been toying with healthier snacking and I usually am pretty good at it. DW does make good sweet potato fries from time to time. And we eat out very rarely unless it is with others; the only regular exception is Chinese takeout on Tuesdays (DW frequently works late, and I don't have time to leave work, pick up the dog, and do anything other than a food pick up before I head to Praise Team rehersal). Also, I may have over spoken about the frequency of those 9-10 pound swings; I know they happened once or twice but probably not more than that. I might try one of those month long 'junk food fasts' at some point- it is an interesting idea. However, just sitting around for 6+ hours rolling dice and watching other people eat foods I like that I'm choosing not to eat doesn't sound like too much fun! :grin: "Game Night" is usually every other week, so that would happen twice most likely during the proposed blackout period...

Crunches-elliptical-stretch-squats done for the day and went pretty well. Time to shower and head to work! Happy Monday??? :confused: I probably shouldn't have logged in this morning; now I'm running late... :oweye: Tried to get DW out of bed to exercise but that was a no-go. Oh well. Hopefully sooner or later she'll get back into a regular routine! :thumbsup2:

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 06:04 AM

Great pics Beth!!!! You look so happy!! Do share the brownie recipe. Yum!!
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nono

11-15-2010, 06:47 AM

Nono, I think I made a booboo with the weight calculator by posting it before everyones big race. (Hindsight 20/20) I was just so excited to finally find something like that I could play around with to motivate me in times of "need" before OUC. Just think how much fun you will have proving the calculator wrong. Besides you are tougher, faster, and stronger than that silly thing that is probably as inaccurate as the day is long.

Well, I did prove Greg McMillan's calculator right! :w00t:

Hey it balances out the other calculator I saw that says with my heart rate, my maximum potential is a 2:11:00. Yep. faster than any woman my age has ever run it. I'm guessing the calculator you posted, even if wildly wrong, is closer to the truth than the heart rate one was! :D

MatterhornMiss

11-15-2010, 08:34 AM

I have decided not to check the weather forecast for a week. It has already changed to something less favorable (to me) and since it will change again I'm not going to worry about it. Thirteen days!
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DisneyGeek

11-15-2010, 11:12 AM

I think McMillan rocks! :silly: Glad you proved it. and as for

the other calculator I saw that says with my heart rate, my maximum potential is a 2:11:00. Yep. faster than any woman my age has ever run it.

maybe you could be the first to do it! ;) Or at least your kids in the future... :tomato:

mickeyndvcfan

11-15-2010, 12:11 PM

Yes, but when you do it, you always do it with such good form! :goodvibes: Anyone who ever gets the chance to participate in a race with Gail should try to catch a look at her form when she does do a run interval. It's textbook good!!!

awwww:blush:....thanks

athenna

11-15-2010, 01:38 PM

Just an fyi for those of you that haven't seen it on FB...Just got back from the Dr's...She awesome, she saw me and didn't charge for me a visit AGAIN:thumbsup2: Anyway, it's a tendon, and I've got to stay off of it. She gave me yoga stretches to do, and said just rest it, no treadmill either, for a week, see how it feels...If it hurts in a few weeks, after vacation, go back and we'll see what to do next like physical therapy, etc. Dr's order's-no half marathon:( But that's ok, I'm glad I went, I wouldn't want to rupture anything.

mickeyndvcfan

11-15-2010, 02:23 PM

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 02:41 PM

athenna

11-15-2010, 02:57 PM

Which tendon?

Ummm, I dunno? When she said tendon, this is how I looked-:scared07: I didn't think to ask which, it's in my calf..Is that what you mean?

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 03:07 PM

Ummm, I dunno? When she said tendon, this is how I looked-:scared07: I didn't think to ask which, it's in my calf..Is that what you mean?

If it's Achilees Tendonitis I had that. Ran with it too. :blush: I don't recommend running however, but it really depends though how bad it is. Rest is the best thing for sure, but you can do light activity with it. Light walking, lots and lots of yoga. Several things you can be doing that way when it is healed up you are not so behind the 8 ball.

My suggestions:
No flip flops NONE!
No Crocs (these types of shoes actually increases risk as you are putting all the weight off your body on your tendon, where when you are barefoot you tend to lean forward to walk)
Ice ice ice
KT Tape area every 3 days
Fish Oil 3-4x daily

You can google AT exercises and start working now. Towel work, and off the heel/ calf raises are some that I did A LOT and it helped speed up recovery.

athenna

11-15-2010, 03:16 PM

Roz, what would I do without you?:confused:

Flip flops, not a prob,it's too damn cold here for those:rotfl2: In WDW, it may be tricky though, they are more comfy than sneakers in the parks:scratchchin:

No Crocs, bummer;) Was gonna bring the ones with the fur lining in case.

Fish oil??? Why?:confused:

And what is KT Tape?:blush:

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 03:20 PM

Roz, what would I do without you?:confused:

Flip flops, not a prob,it's too damn cold here for those:rotfl2: In WDW, it may be triky though, they are more comfy than sneakers in the parks:scratchchin:

No Crocs, bummer;) Was gonna bring the ones with the fur lining in case.

Fish oil??? Why?:confused:

And what is KT Tape?:blush:

Fish Oil fights inflammation. You should be taking 1-2 everyday anyway for general good health. Also helps prevents strokes, along with lowering lipid levels, decreases risk for heart attacks too. Take 3-4 daily. AWESOME FOR YOUR JOINTS.

KT Tape is a tape that you tape up injuries with. Nono, MM and I love it. MM also tapes her Achilees if I remember correctly. When my achilees flares up I throw some on and it really does help. I get mine on Amazon.

Usually AT is from tight calves, which can come from tight hip flexors. Do some yoga everyday. You will be amazed at the difference it will make. :)

athenna

11-15-2010, 03:24 PM

Fish Oil fights inflammation. You should be taking 1-2 everyday anyway for general good health. Also helps prevents strokes, along with lowering lipid levels, decreases risk for heart attacks too. Take 3-4 daily. AWESOME FOR YOUR JOINTS.

KT Tape is a tape that you tape up injuries with. Nono, MM and I love it. MM also tapes her Achilees if I remember correctly. When my achilees flares up I throw some on and it really does help. I get mine on Amazon.

Usually AT is from tight calves, which can come from tight hip flexors. Do some yoga everyday. You will be amazed at the difference it will make. :)

Awesome, I'll get KT tape, and fish oil:) Oh, and I'll check yoga dvd's..I think I've got one somewhere here.

MatterhornMiss

11-15-2010, 04:09 PM

I have had Achilles tendonosis since August. I have continued to run because it is not getting any worse. Of course that means it is also not getting any better. I try and stretch several times a day (there are lots of ways stretch both the soleus and the gastroc -- the two muscles that end in the Achilles). Every morning they are super tight but rolling on a foam roller a few times helps. I did start using KT just last week. No help for my peroneus but it does seem to help my Achilles. I'd like to try the taping method for the ITB as well. I never tried a heel lift but that is sometimes recommended.

Good luck Jen. I'm glad you let us know. You've been in my thoughts a lot recently.
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cloudnut220

11-15-2010, 04:56 PM

Jen--I'm so sorry to hear about the tendon! Best to let it rest--DH ruptured his Achilles and that was BAD NEWS!

So Roz, if Crocs are out, what am I supposed to drive and lounge around the house in?

cloudnut220

11-15-2010, 05:04 PM

And thanks to everyone for the sweet comments on the pictures. I assure you, I wasn't smiling in all of them. I just didn't post the one where I looked like I had just swallowed a bug.

athenna

11-15-2010, 05:14 PM

Thanks, MM & Beth:hug1:

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 05:46 PM

So Roz, if Crocs are out, what am I supposed to drive and lounge around the house in?

Barefoot of course! Seriously the more you can go barefoot around the house the better. I also will walk my dogs sometimes in the summer barefoot. I love my Nike Frees to knock around in. Wear them with jeans and shorts and my feet like the feel of them.

This reminds me, I am going to have to stay committed to my once weekly barefoot strides. Now to figure out when to do it....

I have been pooped lately, just tired. Scratched a 10 mile race this weekend. Really was only going to use it as a training run, but just think it would be better to do some easy mileage. I know myself too well, and once I saw the girls in my AG, it would be hard to hold back. :blush:

Any of the Dec trip folks looking to do some mileage in the week after the race? Mr Roz and I will be going out for some easy runs about 6am around SSR/OKW if anyone interested.

cloudnut220

11-15-2010, 05:50 PM

Barefoot of course! Seriously the more you can go barefoot around the house the better. I also will walk my dogs sometimes in the summer barefoot. I love my Nike Frees to knock around in. Wear them with jeans and shorts and my feet like the feel of them.

This reminds me, I am going to have to stay committed to my once weekly barefoot strides. Now to figure out when to do it....

I have been pooped lately, just tired. Scratched a 10 mile race this weekend. Really was only going to use it as a training run, but just think it would be better to do some easy mileage. I know myself too well, and once I saw the girls in my AG, it would be hard to hold back. :blush:

Any of the Dec trip folks looking to do some mileage in the week after the race? Mr Roz and I will be going out for some easy runs about 6am around SSR/OKW if anyone interested.

no suggestion for work shoes? I'm dressy at work, so it's normally heels and they're awful.

When are you guys leaving that week?

Rozzie

11-15-2010, 07:04 PM

We are leaving fri dec 10.

As for work shoes, I am very lucky. Being a nurse allows me to wear good work shoes. I wear some leather merrells that has been described as looking "special". The other nurses wear the cute dankso clogs. I don't know what I would do if I had to wear heels.
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cloudnut220

11-15-2010, 07:15 PM

I'm just missing the OUC crowd...we're arriving LATE on the 9th.

I might just need to buy a pair of slip on Merrel's that I can wear unless I have a meeting. I used to have a pair I wore all the time but I broke them when I worked in DC. They also got the "special" comment.

DisneyGeek

11-15-2010, 07:29 PM

Barefoot of course! Seriously the more you can go barefoot around the house the better.

OK, this might sound stupid, but does wearing socks around the house still count? My feet tend to get cold in the fall - spring... Now during the summer once I get in the house socks & shoes both come off! :silly: In fact, i have a chair next to the door in the garage with a shoe mat and wall hanger for me to make those changes at. :D FINALLY something I might be doing right by Rozzie's standards! :rotfl2:

I had never looked at http://www.merrell.com (http://www.merrell.com/) before; but some of their waterproof & insulated stuff looked sort of cool! I'm not in the market currently, but neat just the same... However, I don't get the "special" comments- is it a girly shoe thing? :confused24:

jrbdad

11-15-2010, 08:00 PM

Knee feeling kinds quirky - being at a hotel, I decided to "cross-train" did 60 min on the bike - about 14 miles and 4 miles on the elliptical or 20 minutes. Definitely easier on the knee.

Probably take tomorrow off and try to do something on Wednesday.

Enjoying all the talk about "special" shoes :).
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nono

11-15-2010, 08:15 PM

Any of the Dec trip folks looking to do some mileage in the week after the race? Mr Roz and I will be going out for some easy runs about 6am around SSR/OKW if anyone interested.

Not me. I'm on break except for this pesky 13.1 miles I have to do the day after I arrive. However, there will be hour long pool drills (for real) for my dd with me participating on at least 3 mornings. Actually that would be a funny test. Can any of the adults keep up with my 6 yr old's regular swim practice??? :scratchchin:

Rozzie

11-16-2010, 04:41 AM

They call them "special" shoes because they are not cute LOL. I work with girls who arrive to work at 0630 with full makeup, hair, cute clogs, diamond jewerly and designer scrubs. Folks, we do colonscopy's all day. :confused24:

Beth, which resort are you staying this trip? :listen:

cloudnut220

11-16-2010, 05:20 AM

Beth, which resort are you staying this trip? :listen:

AKL Jambo, in a Savannah view Studio. We're doing the Sunset Safari Saturday night with Chefs Table dinner at Jiko afterwards. I am worried about not having anywhere to run while we're there :(

Speaking of running in December...I just noticed that I run out of weeks on my training plan well before I get to the half :oweye: So does anyone have any recommendations on maintenance runs? My plan has me topping out at 10 miles on December 4 and the race isn't until January 8. :oweye: :oweye:

athenna

11-16-2010, 06:02 AM

Beth, I'm glad you asked about what to wear on your feet around the house...I practically live in my Crocs with the furry lining in this weather..I wear them around the house like slippers...So instead of totally barefoot, like DG asked, socks are ok? Hope so, I'm cold once the weather is below 80 degrees, and I'm wearing socks around the house.

Am I nuts that I was so depressed over having this injury and missing the race, and now that I've seen the Dr and it's ''official'' that I'm kind of calm about it?:confused: I'm disappointed for sure, but at feel at peace with it:thumbsup2: Don't want to make myself worse.

athenna

11-16-2010, 06:49 AM

Hey Roz, et al, is this what I want for KT tape?
Amazon.com: KT Tape Pre-Cut Elastic Kinesiology Therapeutic Tape: Health & Personal Care

athenna

11-16-2010, 06:55 AM

Roz, I found that guy you recommended to me...Is this a good one for me?
http://www.gaiam.com/product/rodney+yee+dvd+kit.do

MatterhornMiss

11-16-2010, 09:17 AM

12 More days!!!

Jen I haven't clicked on the link but I would get a roll of black KT. It should be about $10.50. I bought mine from the seller Isokinetics Inc. Shipping was free and it arrived much faster than predicted.

CN I really enjoyed the Wanyama Safari. I think it was extra nice though because there were no children.
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MatterhornMiss

11-16-2010, 09:20 AM

Okay I clicked on your link Jen. What you want is Kinesio tex tape. Search for that in black (it's supposed to be the stickiest).
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athenna

11-16-2010, 01:02 PM

Okay I clicked on your link Jen. What you want is Kinesio tex tape. Search for that in black (it's supposed to be the stickiest).
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Ok, but isn't that similar to what I showed in the link? I put into Amazon what the Kinesio tex tape and this is what it gave me
Amazon.com: Kinesio Tape - 2" x 16.4' - Black - Water-Resistant: Health & Personal Care: Reviews, Prices & more

Looks better than the other one, that had pre cut pieces which didnt seem to make sense to me:confused:

MatterhornMiss

11-16-2010, 01:09 PM

I can't comment on the effectiveness of other products since I have only used Kinesio. I would definitely buy a roll instead of precut strips so you can cut the perfect fit for you.

Took a look at the confirmed registrants page for the Space Coast. I feel like we're going to have a good race.

I'm getting so itchy for the race I've been spending too much money on running gear lately.

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Rozzie

11-16-2010, 03:16 PM

I can't comment on the effectiveness of other products since I have only used Kinesio. I would definitely buy a roll instead of precut strips so you can cut the perfect fit for you.

I think we get ours from the same supplier on Amazon. Agree, get a roll and make sure it says "Kinesio Tape" and it's black.

Took a look at the confirmed registrants page for the Space Coast. I feel like we're going to have a good race.

There is a big group of ROTE folks going. I am glad you have Scott and Lynn to meet up with. I soooo wish I was doing this with you. It's such a beautiful area. Perfect for a marathon. Love all the wildlife.

I'm getting so itchy for the race I've been spending too much money on running gear lately.
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Girl, you and me both! I am spending dollars while making dimes...

nono

11-16-2010, 03:46 PM

Hmmm, I have the black, but I prefer the bright blue in many instances. Esp. for blisters -- the black is funky in that it stretches more one way than the other, while the blue seems to have more even stretchability. I read somewhere that the blue seemed to have cooling properties, but I don't know if that was someone just trying to put chrystal properties to tape...:D

Anyway, both are in "the bag" that goes to all races. Currently, both are at the bottom of the bag. Let's hope it stays that way. Has anyone else purchased a full taping manua (http://www.amazon.com/Clinical-Therapeutic-Application-Kinesio%C2%AE-Taping/dp/B000FOXZGM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1289947751&sr=8-6)l? :rolleyes:

Ran 1/2 mi today -- over to the library and back. It was supposed to be 3-4 mi, but nothing felt right. My short leg felt too long, I felt too tall, thought I was going to throw up.... double:rolleyes: So, tomorrow morning it is. I hope Renee is up for running a couple miles at or below 10K pace!

DisneyGeek

11-16-2010, 05:17 PM

Today became a rest day. Woke up feeling slightly sick and funky; prob. due to Flu Shot yesterday... :blech: Went back to bed for some extra sleep, and actually ended up at work 1 minute early? :confused24: Then I stayed over 35 minutes late & skipped lunch to make up for it! :rotfl2:

But I'm feeling better now, so hopefully tomorrow I'll be A-OK! :fingerscrossed:

Get well to all the other ailing Peacocks!!! :goodvibes:

MatterhornMiss

11-16-2010, 05:17 PM

Anyway, both are in "the bag" that goes to all races. Currently, both are at the bottom of the bag. Let's hope it stays that way. Has anyone else purchased a full taping manua (http://www.amazon.com/Clinical-Therapeutic-Application-Kinesio%C2%AE-Taping/dp/B000FOXZGM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1289947751&sr=8-6)l? :rolleyes:

Too cheap. That is what you tube is for.
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Rozzie

11-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Too cheap. That is what you tube is for.
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LOL, I go to YouTube University for everything. I have never used the blue, my Doc has always directed me toward the black. Will have to maybe get some blue sometime to check it out.

I am no Cloudnut, but did make some Pudge Free Brownies tonight. Experimented on my own and did Greek Yogurt, Chia Seeds, scoop of my power greens and then of course walnuts. Pretty freakin' awesome. :thumbsup2:

cloudnut220

11-16-2010, 05:55 PM

Rozzie

11-16-2010, 05:58 PM

cloudnut is in a lot of pain. Plan was to do easy 3 miles on the mill. Did a walking warm up and had a little stiffness. Started running slowly and didn't make it a whole minute before the area above my knees started screaming. Extremely discouraged. :-(

Ice ice. Both knees?

DG, hope you get over the shot quickly. I am fortunate that I have never (knock on wood) gotten a weird reaction from it. Usually I don't believe in vaccines, but during the winter I am constantly around people hacking/sneezing/spewing flu germs on me. Too much training this winter to do without it!

cloudnut220

11-16-2010, 06:00 PM

Ice ice. Both knees?

mainly on the left. have a little soreness on the right, but not nearly as much. the left knee is my "bad" knee from my HS sports injury. I had the ice on, going to take a shower and then put it back on.

So discouraged--I couldn't even do the elliptical at the gym it hurt so bad.

Rozzie

11-16-2010, 06:04 PM

mainly on the left. have a little soreness on the right, but not nearly as much. the left knee is my "bad" knee from my HS sports injury. I had the ice on, going to take a shower and then put it back on.

So discouraged--I couldn't even do the elliptical at the gym it hurt so bad.

Don't freak, slow deep breaths. Do your ice and take tomorrow off. I bet this is just some aches and pains from the race and will settle down in no time. :hug1:

cloudnut220

11-16-2010, 06:06 PM

Rozzie

11-16-2010, 06:15 PM

Is it normal to have aches and pains after a 10k? I feel like everyone bounces back so quickly after them. I've totally done longer long runs and had no ill effects. I know the LRs are slower, but still.

In a race you push yourself harder than you push yourself in a normal run. I've had ill effects from 5ks (especially), 8ks, 10Ks etc.

Speaking of pains, my left achillees (new for me) is bothering me tonight. Think I will take my own advice I've been dishing out and go pamper it. Green tea, fish oil, ice, some KT Tape and a good book in bed.

cloudnut220

11-16-2010, 06:16 PM

thank you Roz. Newbie freak out here.

DisneyGeek

11-16-2010, 07:31 PM

Thanks Roz & get well soon to you & CN!!! :hug1:

MatterhornMiss

11-16-2010, 07:36 PM

CN The breaking point race for my ITB was a 13K. Best wishes.

One of my many orders from running warehouse came today -- a box of Clif Shots. They appear to be a new formula with "thinner consistency" which I wonder if I'll like. I liked the gooeyness of the old formula. Anyone try the new and can comment?
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Mr. Roz

11-16-2010, 08:17 PM

Hey Roz, et al, is this what I want for KT tape?
Amazon.com: KT Tape Pre-Cut Elastic Kinesiology Therapeutic Tape: Health & Personal Care (http://www.amazon.com/KT-Pre-Cut-Elastic-Kinesiology-Therapeutic/dp/B002CJ62N6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1289915256&sr=8-1-catcorr)

Hey, here in Alabama you can use duct tape. It's reflective too.:elvis:.

nono

11-17-2010, 03:47 AM

Hey, in here in Alabama you can use duct tape. It's reflective too.:elvis:.

You guys are old school!
:D

My designated shoes for Sunday are sporting some tape as well...

Rozzie

11-17-2010, 04:31 AM

I guess I turned into "that" runner. Took today off to ward off any evil spirits with Achillees, and loved that extra hour of sleep this morning. :cloud9: It still feels weird so I know I made right decision.

DG, I put on 2lbs this morning from my brownie treat last night. :p

Nono, gettttting clooooooose! :thumbsup2:

withdisneyspirit

11-17-2010, 06:05 AM

So, I have been putting off coming here and explaining my issue the past few days...:rolleyes:...here goes:

I got the new Nike Frees. Two Saturdays ago, ran 14 miles in them with no apparent problem - Yay! Then, this past Saturday was only an 8 mile run and it went great! I felt great and commented to Rick that "isn't it amazing to think of an 8 mile run as easy?" We finished about 11:15 that morning, spent extra time stretching, went home, showered, then left for a christening and after party around 2:30. By the time we got home, I was hurting, mostly both knees and a little bit ankles. By bedtime, both knees were quite swollen! :( By morning, all my muscles ached and I thought I had the flu. I skipped church and basically stayed home Monday from work. I rested, elevated, iced and used a mix of arnica oil and regular oil as a treatment for the knee. I now seem to be back to normal :rotfl2: No flu symptoms either...

Rick and I are concerned because we don't know what caused it. I had been in a Lupus and fibro flare but I am generally able to run even then. We wonder if that somehow triggered the problem though but of course the run itself had a part in it. It made us extremely nervous because we have a 16 mile this weekend and I don't know which shoes to wear either. I really want to start using the Free's ????

By the way, at the party, I ate fairly light but did have a small glass of red wine too. :confused24:

Mr. Roz

11-17-2010, 07:51 AM

It made us extremely nervous because we have a 16 mile this weekend and I don't know which shoes to wear either. I really want to start using the Free's ????

For longer runs ,I run in shoes with more support. Love Mizuno Precision and Wave Riders. For the smaller and faster workouts, I will rotate out my Nike lunar lite shoes. I am a big fan of the Frees but only for walking around town. I am not brave enough to run in them yet. Maybe for some track workouts in the future.

Mr. Roz

11-17-2010, 08:02 AM

Is it normal to have aches and pains after a 10k? I feel like everyone bounces back so quickly after them. I've totally done longer long runs and had no ill effects. I know the LRs are slower, but still.

What I do before and after my hard runs determines how I feel the following week. After visiting an Ortho doc early last year( who does triathalons) he asked me "so, how much stretching do you do after your runs?'. I was like Beavis "uh a hu... like none". He said" Do you want to save yourself some money and my time and start? If not I'll see you back in a few months and ask you the same question". So for me it's dynamic stretching right before hard runs or races and static stretching/yoga poses within 10 minutes after. It has made all the difference.

DisneyGeek

11-17-2010, 08:27 AM

Crunches-weights-elliptical-ITB stretch-squats all according to plan this morning! :thumbsup2: Slight knee ache, but, uh, that's why I'm doin' the ITB stuff. :p Following a more or less sane active recovery model I think/hope... :silly:

Best wishes that Roz & WDS are a-OK soon!!! :fingerscrossed:

Also pondering stretching other than ITB; I'm in Mr.R's Beavis camp at the moment! :rolleyes:

cloudnut220

11-17-2010, 08:35 AM

What I do before and after my hard runs determines how I feel the following week. After visiting an Ortho doc early last year( who does triathalons) he asked me "so, how much stretching do you do after your runs?'. I was like Beavis "uh a hu... like none". He said" Do you want to save yourself some money and my time and start? If not I'll see you back in a few months and ask you the same question". So for me it's dynamic stretching right before hard runs or races and static stretching/yoga poses within 10 minutes after. It has made all the difference.

I'll admit, I probably didn't stretch as much as I should have after the race :blush: I also don't think I hydrated enough the hour immediately following the race because I knew we had an hour long car ride and that others would not be ammenable to stopping. I've learned my lesson though.

A bright spot for me this morning (and I needed one since I'm now essentially three days without a real workout) I got confirmation from the WDW Half race directors that they've changed my estimated finish time. They now have me estimated to finish in 2:11. So I should :fingerscrossed: not be in the last corral anymore.

Mr. Roz

11-17-2010, 08:38 AM

Unfortunaetly my running partner had to sit this morning out and I had no one to share my run with.
I took a different approach this morning and decided to just hit start on the Garmin and go. Don't worry about pace/time distance anything. Just go for a long early morning run. I named it the "go at the weather and how your body feels and were ever you want to go " pace.
It was early and cold this morning, could have used a long sleeve but only added gloves for the run. The sun wasn't up yet so there was still little traffic.
Now in the area we live in is a mix match of some new neighborhoods and old farm houses with the occasional cotton or corn field. This one farm has a duck pond in front, close to the road. Every time we pass they honk as if to say "keep it down we are sleeping". I couldn't help but laugh this morning.

I don't listen to an Ipod for this very reason. I don't like to miss out on things like this. I will see things sometimes that bring a song to my ears. There is this one road that splits this large pond in two. As the sun started to rise you could see the steam towering up from the water. It was as if running through a misty gate totaly illuminated by the sunlight. Van Morrisons "Into the Mystic' started playing in my ears.

My zen run was interupted briefly by this "baby" great dane running up to me fairly fast. His tail was wagging so I wasn't too worried. I hear this girl Yell "Jabba! NO! ". I thought "Aww,Jabba, what a cute name... " then he leeaps at me. I side stepped him and kept going. I sped up a little and he stayed with me for a few yards or so. He just wanted to play.

Not a bad month ...I outran a 9 year old Kenyan and a great dane, all in the past few weeks. Those interval runs sure pay off.

Great run overall. Still missed my partner though. That could have only made it better.

withdisneyspirit

11-17-2010, 08:43 AM

Awesome story, Mr. Roz, of exactly why I would not ever run with music! I love being with my thoughts and listening/watching nature! It is a spiritual experience for me :goodvibes:

thanks for the input about the Free's too! :listen:

DisneyGeek

11-17-2010, 09:08 AM

CN- Congrats on the time acknowledgment!

MrR- Cool run; hope the dog also had fun! :p

I really need to get back to work now though; just got an e-mail that needs some attention... :rolleye11: Thinking of that work work work line from Blazing Saddles :covermouth: (No, not THAT part- I don't even have a secretary assistant! ;))

MatterhornMiss

11-17-2010, 11:26 AM

I don't know what to tell you Lisa. I would think if it were the shoes you would've had pain while wearing them but I just don't know. I hope it is just temporary.

11 more days. . .
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nono

11-17-2010, 11:58 AM

My designated shoes for Sunday are sporting some tape as well...

And they are old Nike Frees.:wave: But.......Lisa.......your first run in them was 14 miles???!!!!! Am I reading that right? :rotfl2:

Doesn't Nike still put warnings out with them to use them sparingly at first?

I'm so sorry you are hurting Lisa, but if you really did put them on and run 14 miles your first time out, I have to :love30: . That's really hardcore.

PoohsPal

11-17-2010, 01:22 PM

OMG, way too much to catch up on. FOrgive my random multi-quotes!

On the long drive back from Minnesota, at a rest stop bathroom, my little d turns to me while washing her hands and says, "I'm going to run marathons when I get older. But, I think I'll try to win them." :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: To have a little one entertain such great ideas, well, I feel like a successful mother in that moment!

She also reminds me of an earlier deal we made, which was when she's 25 and I'm 65, we're going to run the Rehoboth Marathon together. She always asks, "What will you do if I win and I beat you?" I tell her I'll be so excited for her and soooo proud! :woohoodance: This always garners warm :hug1:s.

Love this! ALthough, I think it means you were huggin with all teh otehr ladies. ;)

If we're ever all in the same place at the same time, I'm totally going to have to do some Peacock baked goods! Guess it would have to be after a race so everyone could eat guilt free!!

I'll have to brainstorm on something that could travel well for WDW Marathon Weekend. We're in a studio, so no actual baking can occur at WDW.You're my hero!!!! I do hope you are feeling better! And, like teh rest have sid, itf you go all out at any time, soreness can happen. heck a couple weeks ago, I was sore fro 2 days after a 60 min trianing run. :silly: It was afaster than I had trainied in a while, though.

11 Miler today and ITB just as bad today as it was last week. So my taper I think will consist mainly of yoga and the elliptical. I am fighting off discouragement. I am rereading MfM and am trying to remember his motto that it takes more courage to make it to the start than to get to the finish.
Posted via Mobile Device :hug1:You know that rest will do wonders for you. DOn't write this race off yet, though.

I decided against yoga and core work today. Felt so blahhh and achy. Took a 10 min ice bath, and then got everything compression recovery thing I own on. Yep, tights, tape, sleeves and took 2 hr nap. Woke up to achy ITB, But overall better. This is as much mental as it is physical. We need a sports psychologist on this thread--I will chip in LOL!
Posted via Mobile Device Forgive me, but it's nice to hear you're still human. ;) I do hope you are feeling better after being off today. :hug1:

I know you all don't want to hear about each & every run - but this was two in a row "pain-free" - well, a little tightness in that knee - but nothin really. LOVE hearing this! Post ass often as you feel it!!!!

OK - finished MFM, but a little confused. Maybe the experts here can help?

Looking at the training plans and not sure what to do? Thinkin I may be best suited for the half-marathon plan, but don't have on scheduled. Is there a "maintenance" plan? Then when I find something close I can train accordingly? Still thinking I'll start off watching for a 5K or even a 10K close to home.

Thought? Ideas? Suggestions?

TIA
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Just my 2 cents. Jump into teh half program that meets about where you are or slightly under. DH adn I found that 45 min 2x's a week and LRs once each week of 5-8-5-10 (sub teh 10-miler for a half where applicable), pretty much keeps us in shape to do a half a month and gives us a great base. Just a thought. You'll find what feels right for you.

Okay, we're done! According to my Garmin, I finished just under an hour 59.40 on a course just over 6.4 miles. Chip time was 60.02, official pace 9.40. Not sure how that works :-( and I'll be honest, I'm a bit dispointed. At least (I think) it's good enough to get me out of the last corral at WDW. I'm just mad about those 20 seconds!
Posted via Mobile Device You rock! LOVE those pix too!!!

Yea, I still wear my Wright socks. Will get som moleskin and try that for my 8 miler next weekend
Posted via Mobile Device Is there a part of your shoe rubbing. http://www.goengo.com Engo patches on that part have done wonders for me. Second skin helps lots too. After it's healed, I use body Glide on teh sensitive spots for a while. BTW, I know exactly how you feel about everyone waiting for you when you are near the back. This happens to me often in tri's. I know when I am finishing closer to mid pack, though, I look back at the people later in the pack with nothing but respect. OSmetimes more respect, because it's tough to be out there longer. Hope this does not sound condescending, but I am so proud of how far you came in such a short time and how you are sharing healthy living with your family.

Athenna - SO glad you have things figured out and are feeling better. Was really worried about you as I started to read. MM said it really well with going back to more walk than run if you need to. If you can run w/o pain, I am behind you all the way. If not, though, I am behind you even if you walk or crawl. You have come so darn far! :woohoodance:

A bright spot for me this morning (and I needed one since I'm now essentially three days without a real workout) I got confirmation from the WDW Half race directors that they've changed my estimated finish time. They now have me estimated to finish in 2:11. So I should :fingerscrossed: not be in the last corral anymore. I don't think you ever had a chance of being in the last corral!

Mr. Roz - Loved the descruption of your run this am! :cloud9:

DG - You will thank yourself if you follow teh plan to do indoor XT instead of writing off runs due to weather this winter. I'd like challenge you to try some very short runs or walks as the weather gets colder and see if you can accimate to it. The first run is always tough, but it gets easier. I know that you have asthma problems, though, so maybe I am asking too much. Please don't push too far on my account. BTW, I am not think like nono and Roz, but even when I have been losing, I find that I need to have a cheat day a week. If I was surrounded by people eating junk food, I'd have a heck of a time saying no and then I'd feel deprived and leap head first off the wagon. One big key that keeps me in check is to try to eat slower. Drink between bites and you will feel full beofre eating as much. Then, only eat when youa re truely hungry. Eat what you want on those nights, but don't over do. JMO. WEveryone really has to find their own way with eating and you seem to be doing great with it!

Lisa - :hug1:I think I'd follow the others and use shoes with more support on LRs, at least until your body has gotten used to the Frees.

I had a dream goal of beign sub 12 on my 8-miler so it would not take as long. Yes, ti was a dream, never thought I'd do it. Sad, as that used to be a high end estimate, but I know some people would give anything for that pace. Anyhow, I felt GREAT!!! Even with it being after core! Did an 11:46 pace. Splits I had not seen in a very long time. felt sooooo good! :cheerleader: Now, to keep that confidence for my 16-miler.

DisneyGeek

11-17-2010, 02:03 PM

PP- Thanks for the input & validating cheat days! :thumbsup2: I lost 80 pounds so far and went from zero running to half marathon under my belt, so I must be doing something right! :D

I may try starting a Sat. run on the 'mil and then going outside for the last 2 miles or so (or vice versa) and see what splitting like that does.

Inside then outside or outside then inside for my beta run? Should I take a break in between or just change shoes as fast as I can and tear out the door??? :scratchchin:

MatterhornMiss

11-17-2010, 03:17 PM

Forgive me, but it's nice to hear you're still human. ;) I do hope you are feeling better after being off today. :hug1:

LOVE hearing this! Post ass often as you feel it!!!!

I have to say part of me also finds consolation in Roz's recent return to humanity.

And I love posting ass often ;)
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jrbdad

11-17-2010, 06:00 PM

Lisa-

Sorry you are going through this -- yuck! I saw the Frees and they look really cool, but I'm thinking with my bad ankle, they would be a big no. Still plan to see the orthopaedic doc next week. Knee is better, but definitely not 100%, guess I'll give it a few more days.

Carrie-

Thank you for the kind comments.

nono

11-17-2010, 06:08 PM

Rozzie,

I'm hoping the 24 hr. fairy visits you overnight. Hang tough!!! :goodvibes:

mickeyndvcfan

11-17-2010, 06:58 PM

nono...are you staying in Philly for the weekend?

MatterhornMiss

11-17-2010, 08:46 PM

I was so excited earlier today. After my 3 day strict rest I was going to hit the elliptical. Then I looked at my running schedule and saw tonight was only supposed to be a 20 min run. I was tempted to run it but thought I would be better off sticking to my recovery plan. Anyway on the elliptical as I reread MfM it really hit me how under prepared for this race I am. At least that's how I feel. I know I put in the miles and the months but it doesn't feel enough. My last two long runs that kicked me in the teeth certainly don't help. I do believe that those bad runs probably did more to prepare me than good runs would as I believe I know a little more of the "Doomsday Scenario" Bingham describes. I still wish they were better runs.

Roz I hope you know how much I appreciate everything you do for me and that my comment didn't come across wrong. It is so hard to convey tone in text. And I completely wish you nothing but the best. But your bad days are as much an encouragement to me as your good. Thank you for your willingness to share both with us.
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Rozzie

11-18-2010, 04:48 AM

Rozzie,

I'm hoping the 24 hr. fairy visits you overnight. Hang tough!!! :goodvibes:

The fairy came!

3 x 2 mile repeats @ HM pace. 1st set 7:42, 2nd, 7:40, 3rd set 7:32. So almost 9 miles done by 5am. :grin:

Amazing what a day off can bring. Going to do strength workout tonight and then yoga 75 min class. Now hopefully I can walk tomorrow...:fingerscrossed:

MM, thank you for the kind words, but they were not necessary. We are are all on this train together. I know it's a hard time for you right now, the taper time really plays with you mentally. Remember all you have to do is do the distance. You will do it, and you will be a marathoner. This is going to happen, so just get ready to celebrate. :hug1:

nono

11-18-2010, 04:55 AM

nono...are you staying in Philly for the weekend?

Yes! And, I figured out yesterday that the hotel I booked for us is actually on the race course. So, one less hassle for the family as they can "see" me early in the race, without doing a thing. :) If you aren't busy and want to wander into town, let me know! I know this is a busy time of year, though, so I didn't even want to ask if you wanted to get together.

I'm getting pretty psyched even though I've been testing my "Fall of the Cliff" taper: long run done too close to race day, then almost no running since. My leg finally seemed to release yesterday (quad and ITB), so I wanted it to stabilize for a day before running. Headiing out in a few minutes for what is sure to be a creaky 3 miler! (Counting on Renee to pull me around town a bit! :):))

Rozzie

11-18-2010, 04:59 AM

Good Luck Nono!!!!!!!!!!!!! Run like the wind. :thumbsup2:

MatterhornMiss

11-18-2010, 05:04 AM

10 More days.

I just am feeling panic set in that I need to be running and running a lot right now to try and be ready. And I'm already not getting good sleep.

I am glad you had a good run Roz.
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athenna

11-18-2010, 05:15 AM

Roz, way to go!:cheerleader:

Lisa, sorry you're hurting:hug1:

MM, details:listen: where are you staying? how long are you staying? you're leaving in 10 days? awesome, you'll be there before the rest of us.

Dumb question-I did order a yoga dvd, while I wait for it to come, all I seem to have is a pilates dvd, is this ok? They are pretty much the same idea. I can use this until dvd comes in, right?

cloudnut220

11-18-2010, 05:47 AM

DH and I had a huge fight about running this morning. I woke up without pain and wanted to get a gym bag together. He told me I'm pushing to fast. He wants me to take more time off--maybe a whole week. I'm already starting to feel like a sloth. We had words and then I stormed out of the house to go to work. Not a good start to the day. :(

Good luck in Philly nono! One of my coworkers is running the 8k (the same one that is doing WDW Half) and she says she hasn't run in over a month. Worried that's going to be me if I don't start running again soon.

withdisneyspirit

11-18-2010, 05:53 AM

And they are old Nike Frees.:wave: But.......Lisa.......your first run in them was 14 miles???!!!!! Am I reading that right? :rotfl2:

Doesn't Nike still put warnings out with them to use them sparingly at first?

I'm so sorry you are hurting Lisa, but if you really did put them on and run 14 miles your first time out, I have to :love30: . That's really hardcore.

I wondered at that myself so I went back and looked up my only other mention of the Frees that was 11-11-10 and I actually ran a few mile run in them on the treadmill, the 14 mile on Nov 6 and then the 8 mile last Saturday with a few short treadmill runs scattered in the midweeks. Obviously, I pushed it though...:blush: I did take my Asics in the car on the 14 miler just in case I needed them but I felt fine. :confused24:

jrbdad

11-18-2010, 06:01 AM

Beth-

Sorry -- that really stinks. My DW isn't the most supportive of my running either.

Stupid knee still hurts! What's up with that? Haven't done anything since Monday.

withdisneyspirit

11-18-2010, 06:01 AM

Congrats on the new time qualification, Beth! So sorry about the fuss with hubby this morning!

Can't wait to hear about Philly, nono! You are really amazing. :yahoo: do you still buy the Frees for running, by the way?

Glad you feel better, Rozzie :goodvibes:

MM, I just know you are going to have a successful marathon. You have put in the work, missy! You will likely hurt some but you have trained through some real challenges and I have faith that all will go well! :cheerleader: :hug1:

PoohsPal

11-18-2010, 06:33 AM

Inside then outside or outside then inside for my beta run? Should I take a break in between or just change shoes as fast as I can and tear out the door??? :scratchchin:I'd go in then out to givev me somethign to look forward to. You know how I hate the TM, though. And, no break. I woudl never start again. ;)

And I love posting ass often ;)
Posted via Mobile DeviceOops. :rotfl2:Good job sticking with your recovery plan. I keep trying to tell myself taht my bad runs are good for me too. I don't listen well, though. :confused24: SO glad you are feeling like you could run, though. You will be fine!

John - FOrgot to say how awesome it is that you have done so much for your sugar levels! I've known people who have been diagnosed as not diabetic after such lifestyle changes. Hope you become one of them! Sorry the knee still hurts! Give it time. If it's taken this long to start screaming, it may take a while to stop. :(

Roz - WHile I like knowing you're human, I am thrilled tha tyou are feeling better! Awesome news!!!

Athenna - I would search YouTube for yoga achillies poses. Stretch the calves/hammies as much as you can until then. Do it gently, though. I think the against the wall stretch would be great for that. JMO

Lisa - I do hope you recover much better from teh 16-miler. Is Rick enjoying the new longer than ever distances?

nono - You are going to rock Philly! Glad you are feeling release n your trouble spots!!!!!

Gail - How long have you had your shoes? Did you change styles before AFM? WOndering if you need to switch? Just grasping for somethign to help with teh blister. Hope it's getting better. It can be so hard to heal once it's formed.

Mr. Roz

11-18-2010, 06:42 AM

I am fortunate that my wife is also my running partner. It's hard for me to understand all of that.
I know Roz started running way before I did. It was just inspiring for me to see what running was doing for her. I had two choices:stay on my fat butt or get up and support her. So I chose the latter.She really enjoyed kicking my butt for a while too.
For me, If your spouse loves something running, reading or whatever, you should support that. I read this just yesterday " "Whatever your woman is into, you better be into. Whatever your man is into, you better be into. Your partner into church, you better be in church, your man or woman a crackhead you better be a crackhead. Otherwise it just won't work" Chris Rock
Taking a week off when you feel good would not be the best for me. You won't lose that much fitness, if any, but...
Running is not buying a house,forgetting to take out the trash or failing to leave the toilet seat down. It's "for sickness and in health" ...hopefully health

Mr. Roz

11-18-2010, 06:47 AM

Stupid knee still hurts! What's up with that? Haven't done anything since Monday.

Have you tried Glucosamine with Chondroitin? We get a 200 tablet container from Sam's for around $18. My knees were killing me before I started taking them. After about 2 weeks, no issues.

jrbdad

11-18-2010, 07:08 AM

Have you tried Glucosamine with Chondroitin? We get a 200 tablet container from Sam's for around $18. My knees were killing me before I started taking them. After about 2 weeks, no issues.

I have not - sounds like a lunch errand for today. Thanks!

Heard you all talk about fish oil - wonder if I should do both?
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Mr. Roz

11-18-2010, 07:10 AM

I have not - sounds like a lunch errand for today. Thanks!

Heard you all talk about fish oil - wonder if I should do both?
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Absolutely!

PoohsPal

11-18-2010, 07:26 AM

Scott - :goodvibes: So happy ROzzie hass you!

Beth - I knew I forgot somethign I wanted to say! If you feel good, run. After a hard race, we typically do not run until the following weekend. (OK, most of our big races are at WDW, so we walk plenty at least). If you are listening to your body, though, feel free to blow off your dh. ;) Soorry that I have no real advice in what your dh argues with you about. That is so ahrd. :hug1:

mickeyndvcfan

11-18-2010, 08:47 AM

Gail - How long have you had your shoes? Did you change styles before AFM? WOndering if you need to switch? Just grasping for somethign to help with teh blister. Hope it's getting better. It can be so hard to heal once it's formed.

Carrie....I've had the shoes for a while but that was the first long race that I had used them for. I was using them when I trained thought so don't know what happened. They are (cushioned) shoes and I'm going to go back to my neuturel ones for my 8 miler this weekend. I'm thinking that the cushioned ones might have too high of a heel causing the blister on the ball of my foot.

cloudnut220

11-18-2010, 10:30 AM

MatterhornMiss

11-18-2010, 11:14 AM

Jen I tried Pilates once. It was a butt kicking core work out. Much harder to me than yoga. But yoga wasn't easy at first either and there are still plenty of poses I am not good at.

I will actually be flying to FL in 9 days but am spending the night before the race in Cocoa Beach. At WDW I will be with a friend from school whom I persuaded to join the DVC in Jan. So we are splitting the cost of the room. For the first 3 nights I am splurging for club level BWI. I don't have any points so I was going to have to pay cash anyway. Then we will be in a 1BR at BWV (because she is new to the DVC and has plenty of points).

Small praise here--my Achilles weren't tight this morning for the first time in probably two months. I needed that feedback from my body that it appreciates my sacrifice to rest.
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nono

11-18-2010, 11:37 AM

I wondered at that myself so I went back and looked up my only other mention of the Frees that was 11-11-10 and I actually ran a few mile run in them on the treadmill, the 14 mile on Nov 6 and then the 8 mile last Saturday with a few short treadmill runs scattered in the midweeks. Obviously, I pushed it though...:blush: I did take my Asics in the car on the 14 miler just in case I needed them but I felt fine. :confused24:

Yeah, but they are more of a workout for the feet...so, here's what I'd do...rotate them in your schedule...shorter runs first, then longer. It's entirely possible the Frees have nothing to do with your issue, but I'd still rotate in any new shoe carefully. After the new pair has 50 miles total on it, let it loose! Long runs, short runs, whatever you like.

I've paired down my running shoes to basically: bare feet, Nike Frees, a new pair of Nike Frees (still v. 5), old Nike LunaTrainers which I swear cause problems because they are too cushioned (but they are so ugly I love them), Nike LunaRacers, New Balance 790s (trail shoes), and if Santa is good to me, some Vibram 5 Fingers Sprints. I've recently retired a bunch of shoes, and luckily at the Phila. Marathon, they are collecting used running shoes and shipping them over to West Africa. (Hope they have lots of sneaker balls, or that shipment will stink when they arrive!)

Thanks for the well-wishes for Sunday folks. It means a lot. :)

MatterhornMiss

11-18-2010, 12:14 PM

Have a great race nono! (I apologize for the belated wishes. I've been too engrossed in my own problems.) If I could figure out how to make a hug smiley show up from my mobile device I'd give you 10 cause I know you love them ;) (and because I wish you the best)
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MatterhornMiss

11-18-2010, 12:17 PM

:hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1: :hug1:
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PoohsPal

11-18-2010, 12:50 PM

Yup, their's 10 there! :p

jrbdad

11-18-2010, 01:07 PM

Nono- best of luck this weekend.

I have supplements coursing through my body - hopefully meeting in my right knee!

Another Newbie question: just finished that Jeff Galloway book, "Running until you're 100" - it was somewhat of a letdown. Big time sales pitch for his run-walk-run method. Run for 2 minutes- walk for 40 seconds-run for 2 minutes & repeat depending on your training day. I guess I can see the merit and perhaps it does help reduce injury - but when I go out for a "run" I can't wait to get done with my warm-up walk - so I can just run.

Anyone else looked at this method?
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cloudnut220

11-18-2010, 01:07 PM

wait, you're supposed to ease into shoes? I didn't do that!

athenna

11-18-2010, 01:10 PM

I have not - sounds like a lunch errand for today. Thanks!

Heard you all talk about fish oil - wonder if I should do both?
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YES! I started taking chondrotin & glucosamine over a year ago, when I first started training. My knees were killing! Like Mr Roz said w/in a couple of weeks, they were fine. I started fish oil this week at Rozzie's recommendation.

Jen I tried Pilates once. It was a butt kicking core work out. Much harder to me than yoga. But yoga wasn't easy at first either and there are still plenty of poses I am not good at.

I will actually be flying to FL in 9 days but am spending the night before the race in Cocoa Beach. At WDW I will be with a friend from school whom I persuaded to join the DVC in Jan. So we are splitting the cost of the room. For the first 3 nights I am splurging for club level BWI. I don't have any points so I was going to have to pay cash anyway. Then we will be in a 1BR at BWV (because she is new to the DVC and has plenty of points).

Small praise here--my Achilles weren't tight this morning for the first time in probably two months. I needed that feedback from my body that it appreciates my sacrifice to rest.
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Really? I loved pilates, it's a workout for sure..But is it a good substitute for now?
Hope we'll be able to see each other:hug1: Even though I won't be @ the race. Are you coming to the BBQ?
So glad your Achilles gave you a break this morn:thumbsup2:

Rozzie

11-18-2010, 02:08 PM

. I guess I can see the merit and perhaps it does help reduce injury - but when I go out for a "run" I can't wait to get done with my warm-up walk - so I can just run.

Anyone else looked at this method?
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Then RUN!! ;) I could never get into the ratio thing myself. I actually found I do better at races when I don't walk through the water stops too. Even though we are all on the same train, we are going to like to sit in different places. Just find what works for you. By all means though, if run/walk ratios are not for you, don't do them!! Good job on the supplements. On the right track!

I read this just yesterday " "Whatever your woman is into, you better be into. Whatever your man is into, you better be into. Your partner into church, you better be in church, your man or woman a crackhead you better be a crackhead. Otherwise it just won't work" Chris Rock

So if your wife is really into housework, does that mean you should be into housework? :p

Beth, hope you have a GREAT run tonight. I am all about listening to the body. If you have a itching to go run, then do it. I have even gone on extra runs when I have felt great and just wanted to get a few miles of happy time. Granted those are rare occurrences since I have been in one long marathon cycle for the past 17 months. I hope somehow your DH can see how happy (and it's good for you!) you are with running. That would be tough to have deal with. :hug1:

Well I have decided something--I am taking 2 weeks off after Goofy. Okay, one week off, and my second week of active recovery. I love the active recovery weeks, where I run whenever and whatever I feel like. Then I am going to focus on more middle distance stuff for a few months.

MM, glad the body is feeling better! :goodvibes:

Rozzie

11-18-2010, 02:22 PM

Can I post something....MY MOTHER IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!!!! Speaking of wanting to go on a extra run, I think I need to pick up something in Alaska. Maybe that will get the stress out! :blech:

DisneyGeek

11-18-2010, 03:00 PM

Anyone else looked at this method?

Uhhhh, I have been doing almost exclusively run/walk interval training like Jeff's since I was having significant issues trying to just run... My norm is run 3 minutes walk 1 during outdoor runs. Maybe I haven't posted that recently? Or maybe my posts are already on auto-ignore! :rotfl2:

jrbdad

11-18-2010, 03:08 PM

Uhhhh, I have been doing almost exclusively run/walk interval training like Jeff's since I was having significant issues trying to just run... My norm is run 3 minutes walk 1 during outdoor runs. Maybe I haven't posted that recently? Or maybe my posts are already on auto-ignore! :rotfl2:

I didn't realize that. Thanks. Has it helped? I'm just wondering if it would help with my knee issue. How do you keep track when to run or walk?
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cloudnut220

11-18-2010, 05:10 PM

Can I post something....MY MOTHER IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!!!! Speaking of wanting to go on a extra run, I think I need to pick up something in Alaska. Maybe that will get the stress out! :blech:

Roz--you should just follow the technique I employ with my mother--DON'T TALK TO HER! :rotfl2: Seriously though, my mother is pretty toxic, and if she doesn't want to make any effort, I'm not talking to her. Did feel slightly guilty when someone at work asked me what she was doing for Thanksgiving and I honestly don't know...

So I ran. A VERY slow 3.5 miles. Felt a bit achy, but not any worse than tightness. Spent a LONG time stretching before and after. So glad I did it!

MatterhornMiss

11-18-2010, 06:02 PM

Jrbdad I have started doing run walk intervals for my marathon training due to some injuries. I have an ironman watch (and it was under $40) that allows me to set interval timers to go off at 3 & 2 min intervals. It is so nice. I don't have to keep track of the time at all.

Just got final race instructions! I do admit I was a little disappointed to learn the course is open to residential traffic. Oh well. No turning back at this point.
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Mr. Roz

11-18-2010, 06:49 PM

So I ran. A VERY slow 3.5 miles. Felt a bit achy, but not any worse than tightness. Spent a LONG time stretching before and after. So glad I did it!

Google it and look at the difference between dynamic stretching before a run and static stretching after. Dynamic stretching will take you through a more natural range of motions that will warm up your muscles and tendons. Static stretching will stretch out your already warmed up muscles to increase there flexibility.

mickeyndvcfan

11-18-2010, 07:38 PM

Can I post something....MY MOTHER IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!

That's your fault for not utilizing the monorail when you had the chance! :D

Rozzie

11-18-2010, 07:43 PM

That's your fault for not utilizing the monorail when you had the chance! :D

I know! :grin:

Same shi....oot. Different day. Her new thing now is calling me up at every opportunity to tell me how I am going to drop dead from running. :confused24:

Beth, you and I might need to compare notes at dinner in Jan. :biggulp:

nono

11-18-2010, 07:55 PM

I know! :grin:

Same shi....oot. Different day. Her new thing now is calling me up at every opportunity to tell me how I am going to drop dead from running. :confused24:

Well, Mom, one thing's for sure. I'm going to do so from something....

DisneyGeek

11-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Has it helped? I'm just wondering if it would help with my knee issue. How do you keep track when to run or walk?

Yes, I end up feeling better at the end by doing intervals and I can have a faster average pace doing them than when I try to run solidly.

I keep track of it using the lap time either on my Garmin Forerunner or with the stopwatch mode of my wristwatch ( nothing fancy; a Timex Ironman with 30 lap memory, but any generic digital sports watch would be fine); I just hit the lap button each time I switch from running to walking and vice versa. I let my Garmin (and the fact that I pre-map my routes) calculate the distance I cover, and I train on roads, not a track, so no "laps" to count in that regard. If I were to use a track I'd probably time intervals on Garmin and count laps on my watch and just wear both. Last two races I did that, one unit on each wrist, but I used the stopwatch to estiamte chip time and track my mile splits.

When running outside I have a longer stride and tend to run faster (but walk slower) than I do on the 'mill. So since I do better with slower paces on the mill I'm using it over the winter to try and build into running solidly, but I see NO shame in dropping to intervals. Worked for me in completing a half marathon in Sept., some part of that must have been right!

That said- tonight's run on the mill went well- pursuant to my winter ramp-up plans I did 7 minute run intervals @ 6 MPG to 1 minute walks @ 4 MPH, and ended with a 1 min walk then 1 min. spring @ 10 MPH! Totaled 30 minutes not including my warm up & cool down walks...

and the big news- I've created the team "K4C Hurricanes" and registered DW & myself for the Road Runner Akron Marathon Team Relay! :thumbsup2: The name is a play on an "EF4 Tornado" rating. Ours references my brother & my high school mascot being the Hurricane (yeah, in northeast Ohio it didn't make a lot of sense, but that's who we were just the same!) by his idea, and my friend Jim's last name starts with a C but my family (4 of us) starts with a K, so we have 4 Ks and 1 C on the team... :silly: Current assignments we are training for:

1. 3.5 mile leg – Kelly (my sister in law)
2. 5.7 mile leg – Kevin (my brother)
3. 6.3 mile leg –Jim (my friend for quite a few years who did his first half at the race I did my first 10k @ last month)

4. 2.8 mile leg – Elizabeth (my DW!)

5. 7.9 mile leg – Team Captain’s turn: Me!!! ;)

Is it selfish that I wanted to cross the finish line? Yeah, maybe a little. :rolleyes: But someone had to take charge & I'm the captain so... :grin:

Can't wait to see you there MM; have you registered for the full yet? :listen:

JIm mentioned possibly getting team shirts made; I e-mailed K&K to see what they think. DW said she'd wear one if the rest of the group was. :eek: Surprised me; she usually isn't into that kind of thing! I'm also planning to get a new Peacock shirt printed up and go for a XL instead of my current XXL...

So as it stands I'm doing a 10 miler as a Peacock in April, might do the Ohio Warrior Dash dressed as a Jedi in June with my friend Bob (waiting for him to commit before I register though- I plan to :poke: him on Saturday), and then run in my first relay as one of the mighty Hurricanes in September. All 3 will be new events / distances for me to boot. Fun season on the horizion! :cheerleader:

Time for bed- busy weekend coming up (Community theater tickets for "Leading Ladies" Friday night, long run [maybe an in & out mix??? :scratchchin:] of 7 miles & Game Night Saturday, play at church Sunday then a matinee @ Cleveland's Playhouse Square to see "Billy Elliot") so I ought to get some sleep ASAP. :wave: Only downside is I won't be able to swim on Sunday because of the pool's hours, but a rest day won't hurt me. Interesting note: A few days ago my mom told me that she feels better if she takes one or two rest days a week, but my dad complains so much when she tries that she normally just runs with him every day... :rotfl2: I guess she has the opposite problem that CN does. Happily, my DW is supportive but doesn't push, except sometimes in a friendly "Go <exercise>, you'll feel better" when I'm on the fence and feeling unmotivated.

Rozzie

11-19-2010, 04:38 AM

DG, when I was team captain in my Marathon relay (Team name "Butt's & Gutt's, it consisted of nurses in the GI Lab where I work ;)) I ran the final leg too. I think it is the norm for the captain to bring it home. Cool that DW is doing it too! :thumbsup2:

cloudnut220

11-19-2010, 05:55 AM

I know! :grin:

Same shi....oot. Different day. Her new thing now is calling me up at every opportunity to tell me how I am going to drop dead from running. :confused24:

Beth, you and I might need to compare notes at dinner in Jan. :biggulp:

Oh most definitely! My mother never has ANYTHING good to say about anything I'm doing. I'm sure if she knew about the Half, she would be all about how I'm going to fail at it. And probably die.

DG--That's AWESOME about the relay! Especially that your DW is doing it too!! :cheerleader:

I'm about to register a group for the National Marathon Half Relay at the end of March. Me, Carlos, and our running friend Lee. It's a 5-5-3.1 race, and I'm taking the first 5 miles. Lee, who is way fast, wanted the 5k. Now I feel bad for note bringing us home, but I wanted to start us out on the right foot!

withdisneyspirit

11-19-2010, 06:33 AM

I'm hoping the running thing won't strain our relationship too much. He just thinks I do too much--but this is common with lots of things we do. We have fundamentally different personalities--when I do something, I decide to do it full steam (work, hobbies, friendships, etc). He's more of a dabbler. I really hope that one day he will really "get into" running just like I've "gotten into" stuff he loves (mostly sports--oh to have my Sundays back during football season!). He was a sprinter in HS, I know he can be a runner again, and I think regular training would really be good for him health wise. I was on RunningAhead looking at before and after stories, and I know he could be one (off topic--but I'm only lurking at RA because I know those folks are going to think I'm some kind of running poser :()! I dream of crossing the finish line with him at a long race one day. We're scheduled to do a turkey trot together, but I would love to do something longer. Sorry, long rant, but yeah...

Well, the saga may not be written down fully in the Peacock thread but plenty of Peacocks can vouch for the fact that my DH, Rick was just like your DH now, probably worse, Beth! He assured me and everyone that would listen that he was not going to be a runner much less a distance runner!!! He was supportive of my wish to run but he would only walk with me and he resisted a brisk walk too :rolleyes: Over time with VERY subtle encouragement from me, he has become the perfect running partner. We did four Half Marathons together this year (I did 5 and Goofy :grin:) and we are training for the Disney marathon now...don't count your DH out, just entice very carefully. :D If he is already doing a turkey trot, you are on your way!

Yeah, but they are more of a workout for the feet...so, here's what I'd do...rotate them in your schedule...shorter runs first, then longer. It's entirely possible the Frees have nothing to do with your issue, but I'd still rotate in any new shoe carefully. After the new pair has 50 miles total on it, let it loose! Long runs, short runs, whatever you like.

I've paired down my running shoes to basically: bare feet, Nike Frees, a new pair of Nike Frees (still v. 5), old Nike LunaTrainers which I swear cause problems because they are too cushioned (but they are so ugly I love them), Nike LunaRacers, New Balance 790s (trail shoes), and if Santa is good to me, some Vibram 5 Fingers Sprints. I've recently retired a bunch of shoes, and luckily at the Phila. Marathon, they are collecting used running shoes and shipping them over to West Africa. (Hope they have lots of sneaker balls, or that shipment will stink when they arrive!)

Thanks for the well-wishes for Sunday folks. It means a lot. :)

I am not convinced either that it was the fault of the shoes, my health is entirely unpredictable...I thought you were a Nike Free girl, nono! I am going to follow your advice and ease the Frees in carefully because I really do think they will be better for me. I'm also gonna walk around town in them like the Roz's do for feet strengthening :thumbsup2: Crossing my fingers for you to get the Vibram Sprints, nono!! :fingerscrossed:

Nono- best of luck this weekend.

I have supplements coursing through my body - hopefully meeting in my right knee!

Another Newbie question: just finished that Jeff Galloway book, "Running until you're 100" - it was somewhat of a letdown. Big time sales pitch for his run-walk-run method. Run for 2 minutes- walk for 40 seconds-run for 2 minutes & repeat depending on your training day. I guess I can see the merit and perhaps it does help reduce injury - but when I go out for a "run" I can't wait to get done with my warm-up walk - so I can just run.

Anyone else looked at this method?
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I also do a run-walk method and it certainly has worked for me! I had to give up solid running a few years ago because it was simply too hard on my joints. I have lupus, fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis, lol, so I walk 2 or 3 minutes and run one minute. I think what is helpful about a book like this is that it is a prescription for us to keep doing what we love right into old age. There might come a day when some of us are flirting with our 80's and 90's and we are still out there participating because of the method in Galloway's book.

Uhhhh, I have been doing almost exclusively run/walk interval training like Jeff's since I was having significant issues trying to just run... My norm is run 3 minutes walk 1 during outdoor runs. Maybe I haven't posted that recently? Or maybe my posts are already on auto-ignore! :rotfl2:

And you are darn fast too, DG, using this method! I won't argue with success.

I know! :grin:

Same shi....oot. Different day. Her new thing now is calling me up at every opportunity to tell me how I am going to drop dead from running. :confused24:

Beth, you and I might need to compare notes at dinner in Jan. :biggulp:

You'd really think that your accomplishments would have shut that right up, Rozzie?! I do know I have to be really careful to whom I complain to about things like Lupus flares. Some people want to get all negative and tell me that maybe the running is causing it. I do not believe it nor does my rheumatologist. She might not like the extreme distances that I do but she does not discourage me anyway! :w00t:

and the big news- I've created the team "K4C Hurricanes" and registered DW & myself for the Road Runner Akron Marathon Team Relay! :thumbsup2: The name is a play on an "EF4 Tornado" rating.
1. 3.5 mile leg – Kelly (my sister in law)
2. 5.7 mile leg – Kevin (my brother)
3. 6.3 mile leg –Jim (my friend for quite a few years who did his first half at the race I did my first 10k @ last month)

4. 2.8 mile leg – Elizabeth (my DW!)

5. 7.9 mile leg – Team Captain’s turn: Me!!! ;)

Is it selfish that I wanted to cross the finish line? Yeah, maybe a little. :rolleyes: But someone had to take charge & I'm the captain so... :grin:

:listen:

That is very exciting, DG!! I love it when our family jumps in there with us - there is nothing better!!!!! :yahoo:

Carrie, to answer your question, Rick was nervous about the 14 mile run because it was a new distance for him and that went extremely well. Now, he is nervous about the 16 miler. He's just plain nervous but it is my job to calm him and things are going very well. The only qualm I have is about me staying healthy enough for him. I can't let us down now. :scared07: :fingerscrossed:

MatterhornMiss

11-19-2010, 07:26 AM

Houston we have single digit countdown. (9 More Days!)

Another morning of loose Achilles. WooHoo!

DG I was waiting until after my first marathon to register ;) but I will. And even though I haven't finished my first I am planning on registering for the full.
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DisneyGeek

11-19-2010, 10:00 AM

Roz & WDS- Thanks for the encouragement; not feeling guilty about bringing us home! :D

MM- You probably have plenty of time, I was just curious. But it will cool to a race you are at; maybe I'll even see you this time unlike our paths not crossing at ToT!!!

Woke up feeling crummy this morning; :blech: my stomach in particular was upset. :confused: So I took a while to start and then progressed slowly to try and not make it worse but managed to do my full plan sans elliptical (crunches, weights, squats, ITB stretch) so I'm pretty happy with that. I still have a little residual blahness (stomach feels off & a headache despite Sudafed & Ibuprofin), but not bad and hardly worth mentioning.

Still on the fence about tomorrow being all-mill or trying some time outside still; I need to be done before 2 PM because of the other things on my plate, and the high temp will still only be 45 and "feels like" 41. I'd like to be done earlier if I can get my butt in gear, but before 11 AM it will feel like 35 or less. Temps make me nervous, but I just may swap shoes, toss on gloves and an ear warmer and see what happens for 2 miles or so. Worst case I grab my rescue inhailer and bail with just 45 minutes or so on the mill for the day... :silly: If problems happened and were minor I could circle back for tights and/or hop back on the mill... :scratchchin:

Should I be worried about cramping (or other) issues going from being warmed up and running indoors to heading straight into the cold, while sweaty to boot? :confused24: Part of why I ask is that I can't help but remember a time I took off a dive boot in a pool after some laps (now I use open heel fins in the pool so it isn't a risk) while I was still in the water. The sudden temp change caused a MASSIVE and rather painful cramp in my foot and ankle! I don't think I've ever made that mistake again. No harm, but I sure was happy to move into the whirlpool and have it go away!!! :grin: To avoid blood pressure spikes I similarly NEVER go from whirlpool to regular pool; vasoconstriction from that can triple the risk of a stroke I once heard, plus I see cramping potential. Is it true? Not sure, but it sounds plausible and I don't want to be a test case! :rotfl2:

MatterhornMiss

11-19-2010, 12:19 PM

DG last year during the months of single degree wind chill I would split runs between TM and outside and never had a problem with cramps. Just make sure you're appropriately dressed.
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cloudnut220

11-19-2010, 12:22 PM

athenna

11-19-2010, 12:27 PM

Just swallowed my first fish oil pills--my friends at whole foods did carry a brand that was soy free. Let's hope they're magic!

I also picked up 8 Pounds of butter at the store (they were having a 4 for $5 sale!) Nothing gets me in the holiday spirit like buying ridiculous amounts of dairy!

Beth, my best friend works for Whole Foods! Has for years...Lol about the butter, said best friend called to say that her store had shrimp on sale...As I'm sure you know, the store is expensive..Pound of shrimp is normally $12.99, they were having a sale $6.99 a pound, so she brought me 2 pounds:eating:

cloudnut220

11-19-2010, 12:30 PM

Beth, my best friend works for Whole Foods! Has for years...Lol about the butter, said best friend called to say that her store had shrimp on sale...As I'm sure you know, the store is expensive..Pound of shrimp is normally $12.99, they were having a sale $6.99 a pound, so she brought me 2 pounds:eating:

I know it's pricey, but I do almost all of my shopping there. With avoiding soy and not eating HFCS, plus the fact it's the closest store to my house, it's just too convenient for me!

jrbdad

11-19-2010, 12:35 PM

Thanks to everyone for the comments on the run-walk interval training.

Assuming I can get my knee pain to subside, I'll probably give it a try. Hurting enough that I won't do anything until I see the doc next Tuesday. Hoping for the best. Feeling like a slug.
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DisneyGeek

11-19-2010, 03:22 PM

MM- Thanks for the reassurance! Now if my airways cooperate I'll be in luck. :D

CN- Butter, yummy! :eating:

JRB- Good luck! Everyone is different, so finding what works for you is the biggest part of the game. When trying to recover from injuries that changes, and it also changes as you eb and flow with your conditioning, stress, diet, weather... Tons of variables with running to keep things exciting. :scared07: More than I'd like for what some consider a recreational activity sometimes, but such is life. I was finding myself having problems and forced to walk periodically and switching to R.W intervals really helped; reading some of Gallaway's stuff validated the concept and made me feel a lot better about doing it! :thumbsup2:

Rozzie

11-19-2010, 04:40 PM

I know it's pricey, but I do almost all of my shopping there. With avoiding soy and not eating HFCS, plus the fact it's the closest store to my house, it's just too convenient for me!

My eyes are green with ENVY! I shouldn't complain, it was barely over a year ago that I was at the mercy of the garbage pit of society, the store that shall not be named. Since my second favorite grocery store opened, Publix, life has been better. Before publix, I couldn't even find organic ketchup!! Ugh.. Publix has a great store brand organic line of foods that makes organic eating more affordable. (Greenwise, yes thank you Publix!) Also the customer service is just top notch. The family joke is that I have my own shopping lane....well tonight I was in a slow line and was reading a magazine and the manager came and whispered and winked at me. He opened up a line just for me and made the comment that I am one of their best customers. Well I cracked up, I guess it's true. I am in there about 3-4 times a week and know all the clerks, managers, seafood and deli people by first name. No wonder I am broke!! :blush: I would die and go to heaven if we ever get a Whole Foods. That place is like Mecca to me. :love30:

Thanks to everyone for the comments on the run-walk interval training.

Assuming I can get my knee pain to subside, I'll probably give it a try. Hurting enough that I won't do anything until I see the doc next Tuesday. Hoping for the best. Feeling like a slug.
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It's rough I know when you are hurting and waiting on a appt. Been there, done that! Just know that you will be running again soon, and this is just a temporary slow down. You are doing everything right and you have decades of happy running ahead. :)

Yeah MM!! Good karma for all that you have been through. See, you will survive taper!! Now you know you can cut and paste all of this when I am on here crying before Philly next year...like I say, do as I say--not as I do! :silly:

nono

11-19-2010, 05:45 PM

mickeyndvcfan

11-19-2010, 06:02 PM

Have a great race on Sunday nono!!! Wish I could get in there to see ya.....but I am all set up to track ya. Good luck and see ya in two weeks.:rocker:

Rozzie

11-19-2010, 07:23 PM

This time a year ago, a bunch of us were walking out of a restaurant in Rehoboth Beach pondering the day ahead.

This year, I'm glad my race this weekend is on a Sunday. :D I wouldn't be ready for it tomorrow!

Too funny! I woke up thinking this morning, 1 year ago today I was about to do my very first marathon.

Wishing you a FAST and FUN race. Can't wait to track ya! :thumbsup2:

MG, good luck at track tomorrow, what are you doing blister prevention wise?

mickeyndvcfan

11-19-2010, 08:10 PM

Going back to my other shoes. Gonna try the moleskin and see how that goes. :fingerscrossed: Don't want the blister problem in Dec. cause I have to be able to walk the parks.

Good luck to everyone on their LR this weekend.:thumbsup2:

Mr. Roz

11-19-2010, 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=nono;86099]This time a year ago, a bunch of us were walking out of a restaurant in Rehoboth Beach pondering the day ahead.
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I remember stumbling out of Around the World in 80 Beers:biggulp:.We gave it our best, the race and the 80 beers....

withdisneyspirit

11-20-2010, 07:11 AM

Go get em', nono!!!

I am also a butter hound this time of year, Beth - started buying it weeks ago because I will have to make ten or more batches of English toffee candy for Christmas! I will be making my first batch this morning to send to church tomorrow for the Thanksgiving potluck! I can't go because we have to run our 16 miler during church tomorrow. Its the only free time :oweye:

I got my CW-X tights, Rozzie and I am counting on them to assist in the quest for our marathon. :goodvibes:

I hope you get good news soon, jrbdad!! :fingerscrossed: :hug1:

What will Publix ever do if you get a Whole Foods, Rozzie?? They will go into mourning. :rotfl2:

cloudnut220

11-20-2010, 07:21 AM

My eyes are green with ENVY! I shouldn't complain, it was barely over a year ago that I was at the mercy of the garbage pit of society, the store that shall not be named. Since my second favorite grocery store opened, Publix, life has been better. Before publix, I couldn't even find organic ketchup!! Ugh.. Publix has a great store brand organic line of foods that makes organic eating more affordable. (Greenwise, yes thank you Publix!) Also the customer service is just top notch. The family joke is that I have my own shopping lane....well tonight I was in a slow line and was reading a magazine and the manager came and whispered and winked at me. He opened up a line just for me and made the comment that I am one of their best customers. Well I cracked up, I guess it's true. I am in there about 3-4 times a week and know all the clerks, managers, seafood and deli people by first name. No wonder I am broke!! :blush: I would die and go to heaven if we ever get a Whole Foods. That place is like Mecca to me. :love30:

Roz--I'm glad I'm not the only one fanatical about my grocery store. People at work who often like to brag about how cheap they got whatever at the grocery store that shall not be named always give me a hard time about shopping at Whole Foods. And then I like to repeat one of my favorite things I read about food "you wouldn't live in the cheapest place you could, you wouldn't drive the cheapest car you would. Why would you eat the cheapest food you could?" The folks at Whole Foods know me too--and they often ask what I'm cooking :D

Speaking of cooking, I made Whole Wheat bagels this morning--they're 150 calories each, so i'm thinking they'll be a nice base for my post workout lunch!

jrbdad

11-20-2010, 07:46 AM

My DW has only been in Whole Foods once and she didn't want to leave.

She goes out of her way when we travel to go to Publix -- loves it.

We have a decent regional chain here, and of course -- Wal-Mart, but nothing as nice as Publix or Whole Foods.

Beth -- my wife gets the same treatment at our grocery store. Definitely makes a difference and makes it easier to pay a slightly higher price.

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 08:01 AM

And then I like to repeat one of my favorite things I read about food "you wouldn't live in the cheapest place you could, you wouldn't drive the cheapest car you would. Why would you eat the cheapest food you could?"!

I love this!! My new comeback line at work!!!! :idea:

nono

11-20-2010, 08:18 AM

I remember stumbling out of Around the World in 80 Beers:biggulp:.We gave it our best, the race and the 80 beers....

Remember how uncrowded it was, and yet, reports were that one block over people were waiting in line for hours for dinner and drinks! Sheep!

OK, Renee has been picked up, my time has come. :driver: Only problem is, our hotel is very close to the expo. Ruh roh. Parking may be a bit of an issue...

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 08:31 AM

Remember how uncrowded it was, and yet, reports were that one block over people were waiting in line for hours for dinner and drinks! Sheep!

We seriously need a Rehoboth reunion weekend. :scratchchin:

OK, Renee has been picked up, my time has come. :driver: Only problem is, our hotel is very close to the expo. Ruh roh. Parking may be a bit of an issue...

Remember you are also doing reconn work for my 1st attempt up there next fall. I expect full report of where and what's also along with how large these hills actually are. :D

DisneyGeek

11-20-2010, 10:04 AM

Have a great race nono!!! :yahoo:

Uhh, as for that shopping comeback- I'm one of those cheap foods people, but I also tried to get the most square footage per dollar in this neighborhood when I bought our house, and I drive a Hyundai because it is at least assembled in a US plant and is cheaper than supposedly "domestic" SUVs were at the time. In fact, I bought a new 2008 in April 2009 (when DW's Honda died) because it was a couble grand cheaper than the '09... :tomato: In short, I always shop around to get the cheapest price out the door (adjusting for shipping and tax as applicable) for whatever I'm buying. Not that I don't buy expensive stuff sometimes ($16+ per # cheese is a particular weakness ;)) but I also have no problem with a store brand el-cheapo generic! However, if it redeems me any we did start using some local CSA programs for as muhc of our produce and eggs as we can; the current winter one is even Organic + we do go for organic 2% milk...

If I don't save money someplace how can I keep up my Disney spending? :confused24: Then again, I'm also a sucker for free shipping & 2 for $24 shirt sales and such form the DisneyStore.com! :rotfl2:

Planning to run soon and try the split 'mill / outside gambit. Thinking 45 minutes then ~2 miles. Last night when we got home from the theater our dog wanted to play so I went out and chased her back and forth on the driveway several times. :grin: No coat, 38 degrees (in my running shoes, jeans, and a Hawaiian shirt!) and Asthma didn't flare up at all. Very promising! :D

Incidentally, I was looking up numbers and I'm at 357.468 logged outdoor miles in 2010 so far (which means NOT counting 'mill miles which are also beginning to creep up in #) and 582.3158 logged since I started running 3/28/2009...

On another tangent, I rearranged our gym room around 3 AM 'cause I couldn't sleep to make it easier for DW to do her Power 90 while I exercise in the morning. :silly: I think she's done it once and 10 minutes of Yoga once in the past 3 months as far as exercise goes... Trying to give her some friendly :poke: to get her back into the swing of some kind of program! She had been doing so well with Curves 3-4 times a week for two different several month stretches (with some significant little or no exercise gaps in between) before getting bored with it and deciding it wasn't really doing much for her anymore. Sigh... I'm hoping the relay in Sept. will help motivate her! :fingerscrossed:

Catch everyone later!!! :wave:

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 12:28 PM

But DG....the food is CRAP, full of dangerous chemicals. Do you think it's just a coincidence that cancer, stroke, diabetes, heart disease, autoimmune, and life threatening allergies have exploded in our generation? There is a reason that girls look 20 when they are 11. The chicken today has enough hormones to grow breast on a light post. Feedlots are pumping antibotics into animals to where we are acquiring antibotic resistence through the food chain. (this dreadful happening is also from the over use of antibotics, combined with the pumping of antibotics into healthy livestock) Do you know how many preservatives and chemicals there are that are approved by the FDA but is banned by the EU? That Russia won't even take our imported chickens because of the chemicals Tyson uses to clean their equipment? Russia! :oweye:

Okay Brother Peacock, off my soapbox. ;) If you want more info I challenge you to watch the documentary Food Inc. Oh btw, I got a email the other day about how many deadly ingredients are in a McNugget and I thought of you. I know you are soooo disappointed I don't have a regular email address for you! :grin:

cloudnut220

11-20-2010, 12:33 PM

Roz-Have you seen that video about how they make the McNuggets. So gross!

MatterhornMiss

11-20-2010, 01:00 PM

DG Healthy doesn't have to be expensive and on the flip side just because you bought something at Whole Foods doesn't mean it is good for you. Whole Foods certainly has its fair share of crap. Even at Whole Foods it is best to keep the rule of shopping the perimeter where foods are the least processed. But you can do that in your local grocery as well. You can save money by buying foods in their basic form and cooking for yourself. You will probably also eat less because you are taking in more quality that is more filling. While I have 2 Whole Foods near me I still do most of my shopping at Kroger. I get my bison, almond butter, dried cranberries and quinoa at Whole Foods. But most other things including fruits and vegetables I buy from a regular grocery. Buying local is also healthier and less expensive plus you are supporting the local economy and farmers. So don't fall into the trap that to eat healthier you have to spend a lot more money. I don't believe my grocery bill has gone up (except that I now live in TN where things are more expensive in general and there is sales tax--and high sales tax--on groceries).

And we will make a point to meet up for Akron you'd better believe it!

Eight more days! I did 40 mins on the elliptical (I mainly go backwards on it), 20 mins on the stationary bike and 20 min run. My legs felt like lead when I started to run. I have a higher respect for triathletes. Anyway reading MfM takes on a whole new meaning during my taper. I love that spending all kinds of money on running gear is the number one symptom of taper madness. Speaking of things I have bought in this taper I wore my new running cap during my brief run. I bought it in case it is raining hard during the race. I'd like to be able to see.
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Rozzie

11-20-2010, 01:09 PM

MM, good point on the perimeters of the store. AL has a grocery tax too, its absurd! Oh, and I spend money like a mad women when tapering...
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Rozzie

11-20-2010, 01:39 PM

One more thing DG.....I love ya' dude! :hug1: You should see the lectures I give my coworkers. They don't write food nazi on my locker for nothing. ;)

I did want to share I know how you feel about wanting DW to get more active. I remember how happy it made me when Mr Roz started get into a more active state. It was like the best present ever, because for so long I worried so much about his health. (He was probably the most inactive adult I knew!!) I just hope that E picks up the bug and you never know, she may turn into a maniac and starts flying by you. It can happen!! Look at me and Mr. Roz, I used to literally run circles around him trying to get him to speed up--and now he fries me up in a pan!! :D

I am still having some off and on Left calf weirdness. Not really pain, just still tight. I have done everything I know to do, roll and roll, roll some more. Calf sleeves, extra downdogs. So I thought if someone could just massage it for 30 min's....then it dawned on me. I haven't gotten a pedicure in about 3-4 mths, I am due!! So off I go this morning... Upgraded to the VIP package and got the hot wax, extra massage oil, salt rub, and then hot towels after a hot rock massage. All in all about 30 min's of pampering to my lower legs. I think they are worth it. Only thing is the tightness is still there, but at least I have pretty toes now. I have to admit they were starting to resemble Hobbit feet. :blush:

MatterhornMiss

11-20-2010, 01:52 PM

Since you got on your soapbox for DG I thought I might do the same for you Roz ;) I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GOT A PEDICURE! All sorts of bacteria and fungus are spread that way. Plus you have Hobbit feet for a reason--you run. Callouses are your friend. And you have a race in two weeks.

Okay I am totally laughing as I write this because I was trying to match your intensity about the food. But a I am concerned that you got all your rough spots filed off. Callouses do protect you from blisters.

And tight calves are my main symptom of Achilles tendonosis. I really have never had much pain. The first time I got a sports massage with my Achilles problem they actually felt worse for a few days (just opposite of my ITB) so that I asked her to take it easier the next time.
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Rozzie

11-20-2010, 02:04 PM

Since you got on your soapbox for DG I thought I might do the same for you Roz ;) I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GOT A PEDICURE! All sorts of bacteria and fungus is spread that way. Plus you have Hobbit feet for a reason--you run. Callouses are your friend. And you have a race in two weeks.

Okay I am totally laughing as I write this because I was trying to match your intensity about the food. But a I am concerned that you got all your rough spots filed off. Callouses do protect you from blisters.

And tight calves are my main symptom of Achilles tendonosis. I really have never had much pain.
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Ha! That's why I get them 2 weeks before a big race. My feet will be rough by morning and I never allow them use that bristle pad. I keep the rough spots on for a reason! I bring my own toe nail clippers, cuticle clips and my own polish. I actually have more issues with my toenails being out of whack than blisters. One keeps cutting into my other toe. The other day half my shoe was soaked with blood after a run from it slicing into my skin. I am lucky that I have a great salon near me that is fanatical about santizing. I have been in some places where I just walk out if I can see it's not up to my high standards.

Yeah, I think the calf issue is Achilees starting to raise it's head. When I had AT before, it was always in my other leg. If it's still tight on Monday I will have to go in and get some ART done. It's $50 for about 10 min of it so I have been trying to see if I can just roll it out. :rolleyes: Will do more yoga and more towel stretching tonight. :fingerscrossed: The good news is that whatever it is I am not ignoring it. Might break out the trigger point book in a little while too.

cloudnut220

11-20-2010, 02:08 PM

MM is right about buying local--we do a lot of that too. We have a fantastic farmer's market that runs may-december and we buy milk, eggs, meat, fruit, veggies there when it's open. I love having a relationship with the farmers. We bought our turkey for the holiday from a guy there (it's our third turkey from him) and I love that the turkey spent his life free ranging it less than 30 miles from my house. It is expensive--2.49/pound--but I do try to save money other places--having my friend hook me up at Costco when possible, buying DH's Kashi cereal and some of my nut butters from Amazon and buying lots of stuff in the bulk isle at WF. MM is also right about the processed stuff and the outside of the store--that's my goal at any store!

Roz--what color are the toes

MM--good luck! I'm sure your body will thank you for the rest!

I did about 6.5 miles today. Less than I wanted to, but the hips were complaining. I came home and did a lot of icing and they're feeling better.

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 02:16 PM

Beth-I buy some things in bulk at Amazon too. My Tom's Maine body bar soap is a great price on there. Our farmers market is okay, but I still prefer my veggies organic from Pubix. After "interviewing" what they put on the local veggies, well, 7 dust is not something that I consider ideal LOL. I wish we lived in a area where the local farmers could be rewarded ($$) for taking the extra step to go organic. It's just too hard to break even with a population that is sooo not into paying more for quality. I do get my farm eggs from the local market, wow, they are so better than even the organic free range eggs at big grocery store. Chef M.R. says they are so much better to bake with too. I have often wondered what makes them so much better--Mr Roz says a happy chicken lays a happy egg. :p

Oh the toes area nice neutral shade. I don't like too much attention drawn to my feet. After all, they are still runners feet and have the scars and veins to prove it. :pirate:

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 02:26 PM

I will say this, I think MM brought up a great point. I don't want anyone to think that I consider myself Mrs. Perfect tread the earth perfectly look at me and how great thou am type of person. I think even the most strictest of health nut folks do have one area they allow themselves to be a little gray on. Not that I even consider myself super strict. It's been a long process to get the mind set where I am now....and I don't think I am living for the woods anytime soon to live off the grid. But I do have to admit I fantasize about it quite often--mainly to run away from mothers and jobs. :grin:

Oh Beth and MM, I so wish ya'll were with me today at Starbucks. I went in to get a treat to sip on while I got my feet worked on. I had all the staff reading labels, much to the pleasure of everyone behind me. I ended up with a Tall Skinny Pumpkin Latte with FF milk, extra shot of expresso. Only one pump of pumpkin (not the usual 4 pumps), which to my delight does not have HFCS in it. Only, get this, SUGAR and natural flavoring. No, it's not good for us, but I often wondered what the syrups have in them. Funny to say, the Sugar Free syrups had HFCS in them. Even the staff mentioned they always thought the SF one was the healthier one. Not so. (we need a investigator reporter smiley here...)

mickeyndvcfan

11-20-2010, 03:05 PM

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 03:22 PM

Happy to report that I was blister free after my eight miles. :yahoo:

The only problem I had was with my Garmin...it got weird and subtracted from my distance and then added on 4 miles to what I did. I just went by the time and figured it out by how long it usually takes me for 8 miles. Those things cost too much money to be going crazy in just a couple of years.

Yahoooie Mama Gail!! :thumbsup2: I was wondering how things were going. Did you happen to have on long sleeves today? Sometimes I will accidently bump my Garmin and strange things happen. Have to say I never had it add mileage though. Garmin is great for customer service, you have any more issues I would call them and see what they have to say.

MatterhornMiss

11-20-2010, 03:48 PM

I certainly have plenty of bad vices. For the past week I have been craving cinnamon rolls--big fat ooey gooey smothered in cream cheese cinnamon rolls. And I have given in twice. I feel okay since the Penguin said it's okay to crave comfort foods during a taper ;)

Yippee Gail!

Working on my race shirt for the marathon. I want everyone to know who I am and that it is my first.

So what's shopping at "Pubix" like Roz? ;) :p Really I shouldn't be cracking any jokes. I make more than my share of mistakes.
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mickeyndvcfan

11-20-2010, 04:06 PM

Yahoooie Mama Gail!! :thumbsup2: I was wondering how things were going. Did you happen to have on long sleeves today? Sometimes I will accidently bump my Garmin and strange things happen. Have to say I never had it add mileage though. Garmin is great for customer service, you have any more issues I would call them and see what they have to say.

Yea, had my Rehoboth shirt on but that never happened to me before when I wore long sleeves. We'll see what happens next weekend.

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 04:22 PM

So what's shopping at "Pubix" like Roz? ;) :p Really I shouldn't be cracking any jokes. I make more than my share of mistakes.
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Ha! :rotfl2: I think I am in the lead for typos on here. Quacker, Pubix...

Nothing wrong to giving into tempation in taper. That's what taper is all about!!

As for me, I weighed in at the sports Doc office for first time in a month. 4 lbs heavier. IT was afternooon, and I did have clothes on, which I usually do nude and morning at home. But I got my own "come to Jesus" speech about me backsliding. I do admit, I give into things now that I never allowed myself before AF. Pumpkin pancakes, fresh baked bread, etc. I might just be 4lbs up for OUC. I don't think the earth will stop rotating on it's axis, but of course I will be humming a different tune the week leading up....

Rozzie

11-20-2010, 06:52 PM

All set up for runner tracking in morning. GO NONO! :cheerleader:

MatterhornMiss

11-20-2010, 06:57 PM

One thing about vices--I feel like crap when I give in. I am normally not a big sweets person--I would rather have potatoes any day--but I have been craving them like crazy. I don't keep them in my house though. I did have some caramels that I had planned to make caramel apples for work for Halloween but never did. So I made three tonight. Ugh. The second one was definitely a mistake. Even though they were small I regret putting them in my mouth. I don't think I will weigh myself again before the race. I am glad I burnt the first attempt at melting the caramel or I would have even more temptation facing me. I just threw the third apple in the trash to avoid eating it later. I really want to be good this last week.
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MatterhornMiss

11-20-2010, 07:01 PM

Good luck nono!
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Mr. Roz

11-20-2010, 08:13 PM

Hey let me pile on here for a second. Most Fast food restaurants including McDonalds washes thier meat with ammonia. AMMONIA! You should not have to treat at anythime, meat or any other ingredient for that matter, with ammonia.

It's also easier(and Cheaper) to put a warning lable on eating undercooked meat than holding the trillion dollar beef industry( Which is only 4 main Companys) to higher standards.

The specific part of the cow served is not regulated to a specific part to be processed. In other words hamburgers now are much closer to hotdogs you can hardly tell the difference.

I counted the other day, 27 ingredients in a crouton. A crouton. Thats bread,butter,seasoning. Why the other 24 ingredients? Thats all the preservatives. One being a MOLD inhibitor.

I have been in the restaurant industry for 20 plus years. The state of allergies and immune dificiency is epic. This is a direct result of all the preservatives and unnatuaral crap pumped into the food.

What does this have to do with running...? Everything. Food is Fuel. What you put into your body you put on the road. The idea of running my butt off in a 5K or Marathon with ammonia laced blood pumping through my heart makes me very nervous....

Rozzie

11-21-2010, 06:41 AM

Well let's start with some GOOD news. Nono has gotten through the 10K just fine and on track for her goal. :goodvibes:

BAD news is I had to scratch my LR today. First time ever. Before when I was injured I would try to go do a few miles just to see if miracle happened and would usually limp through a few miles. Well I am not limping, but my left calf weirdness was worse last night. I promised myself that if I felt the weirdness (weirdness is the only way I can describe it, no pulling, no pain, but a extreme tightness that is felt with every step, no matter how many 1000 downdogs or rolls on the roller) in the morning I wouldn't run. Well woke up and it was there. I put on my calf sleeves and did a trail run in front of house, no pain and no tightness when I ran. But as soon as I walked, it came back. So I would not know during the 16 if it was getting worse or better. My theory is since I run on my mid foot that I was not engaging the calf as much as in a walk. :scratchchin:

So I had to put my big girl pants on and say, what is worse, losing a little bit of fitness and maybe 5 min's in OUC--or sitting out the whole race? Also I appealed to my financial sense, I have about $500 in races fees in the next 60 days tied up, how would that suck to lose all that.

So I will call my sports Doc and beg him to see me tomorrow. I will go to the gym today and either swim or ride the bike for a hour, then go to a 75 min yoga class. No it's not the same, but at least I will be doing something. OKay pity party OVER! :wave:

jrbdad

11-21-2010, 07:08 AM

Well let's start with some GOOD news. Nono has gotten through the 10K just fine and on track for her goal. :goodvibes:

That's GREAT news! Thanks for the update -- I was wondering.

Sorry about your calf -- that stinks.

I'm hoping my doctor's appointment does me some good -- I really want to get back out there.

MatterhornMiss

11-21-2010, 07:24 AM

I'm proud of you Roz. Look at how far you've come and how much smarter you are to chose NOT to run when you shouldn't. Good for you.

One week. Anxiety is setting in. I am worried my body isn't recovered enough. I broke down and went ahead and checked the weather. A chance of rain is back in the picture. Yes!
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DisneyGeek

11-21-2010, 07:56 AM

:blush: I did say we buy Organic milk and from our local CSA right? Aslo eat a BOATLOAD less restaurant food than we used to? Oh well...

Now I do understand why we used McSanitizer back when I worked @ Mcdonald's in high school instead of bleach- the stainless would have released mustard gas is it came into contact with the ammonia laced meat! :rotfl2:

Out late for game night, gad trouble falling asleep (:confused24:) and had to get up early for church combined for ~2.5 hours of sleep. I feel kinda' lousy from that! :blech: Hopefully I won't fall asleep in the theater, or at least won't snore too loudly... ;)

Run(s?) yesterday went well. I did 45 min on the mill as planned, then 'immediately' switched (OK, it took a few minutes to get off mill, jot down stats, change shoes and keep the dog from trying to follow me out the door...) and did 2.36 miles outside. It actually was between 47 and 51 degrees depending on what temperature soucres I refer do during my run. Weird abdominal cramps (just below my rib cage) about 1.3 miles outside though. Felt fine inside all around and breathing was OK the whole time in & out. Dunno what to make of it, but not worried at this point...

Roz- Best of luck w/ the doc; hope you get things resolved VERY quickly!!! :fingerscrossed:

MM-I hope you can survive the mental battle that is the taper; hang in there!!! :thumbsup2:

mickeyndvcfan

11-21-2010, 08:28 AM

Well let's start with some GOOD news. Nono has gotten through the 10K just fine and on track for her goal. :goodvibes:

She's still looking good @ the 30k mark!:yahoo:

BAD news is I had to scratch my LR today. First time ever. Before when I was injured I would try to go do a few miles just to see if miracle happened and would usually limp through a few miles. Well I am not limping, but my left calf weirdness was worse last night. I promised myself that if I felt the weirdness (weirdness is the only way I can describe it, no pulling, no pain, but a extreme tightness that is felt with every step, no matter how many 1000 downdogs or rolls on the roller) in the morning I wouldn't run. Well woke up and it was there. I put on my calf sleeves and did a trail run in front of house, no pain and no tightness when I ran. But as soon as I walked, it came back. So I would not know during the 16 if it was getting worse or better. My theory is since I run on my mid foot that I was not engaging the calf as much as in a walk. :scratchchin:

So I had to put my big girl pants on and say, what is worse, losing a little bit of fitness and maybe 5 min's in OUC--or sitting out the whole race? Also I appealed to my financial sense, I have about $500 in races fees in the next 60 days tied up, how would that suck to lose all that.

So I will call my sports Doc and beg him to see me tomorrow. I will go to the gym today and either swim or ride the bike for a hour, then go to a 75 min yoga class. No it's not the same, but at least I will be doing something. OKay pity party OVER! :wave:

:hug1::thumbsup2: So glad you are taking your own advice for a change......you sure have come a long way. Good for you and hope you get this figured out and feeling better quickly.