Running Disney

[Mr. Roz]

Tink welcome.:wave:Yes, we are very unofficial

Well, I "Bonked" on my training run this morning. Seriously. Shut down, I quit, cant move, I'm outta here kinda bonk. Havn't had one of those in over a year. On a base run no less.
I hydrated enough throughout the previous day, but the heat was worse than it had been. So humid and muggy the street lights looked like they were surrounded by fog.
We started out for 8 miles and it quickly turned south for me. Had to run back home for some jells and more water. Slogging through the first few miles and I had to call it at the 41 minute mark. I took two stinger jells and walked for a few minutes. Got my brain back and was able to finish up two more miles.
Everything to do wrong happened. Not enough rest, not eating properly the night before, not hydrating enough, ran out the door with no jells. Just enough poor planning and follow through as I could do.
I was questioning where was the line from pushing through a bad spot or suffering through the run. I settled for the back up and regroup plan. felt I could have finished the planned 8 miles but it would have been just junk mileage. I had never been more happy to NOT run then when I finished.
Lessons learned.

Run better, faster, harder, smarter tommorow.

[DisneyGeek]

Mr. Roz - sorry to hear you got bonked like that! Glad you seem to have learned from it though; always try to find a bright side. :goodvibes:

I'm still feeling a little off (though MUCH better than when I woke up!) and it is raining here now. I think I might try firing up the 'mill and start my 3.25 on it then play it by ear. If I feel worse, abort; if I'm OK, got the miles in even if not outside. We'll see in an hour or two; I'm gonna' attempt a little lunch momentarily and see how that goes first! :silly:

[PoohsPal]

Craig - COngrats on your 10+ run!!!

CB - COngrats on teh tennis win!

Mr. Roz - SOrry about the bad run. remember: Those bad ones are what amke the good ones feel so good.

Lisa - Hey! Missed you! Want ot see pix of the kitchen! I now thinko f you every time I bounce a gladd off the linoleum. :p

nono - How frustrating! Hope Mr. Nono gets good news soon!

Roz - was wonderung about your time iwth your mom. I think the drink was defnitelyly medicinal!

Tink - Welcome! Love to hear your story!

MM - Good luck with the job search!

Jen - Hope your new gig is going well!

Gail - HOpe you're doing well!

I did a 10-mile run on Friday after core. Wasn't rpetty, but actually one of the better runs lately. It was so humid tha tI started out reasoning how a 7-miler would be ok. SO, jsut happy I did all 10. Plus, longest run since a May half. Did a 20-mile bike ride last night. When did that become short?? :p

[Rozzie]

Did everyone (or should I say AF participants) get this today?
http://us.mg204.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.partner=sbc&.gx=1&.rand=4dh2h4l94ru4l

[mickeyndvcfan]

Did everyone (or should I say AF participants) get this today?
http://us.mg204.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.partner=sbc&.gx=1&.rand=4dh2h4l94ru4l


Is it the one about registrants winning prizes? If it is, I got it today too.

[Rozzie]

Is it the one about registrants winning prizes? If it is, I got it today too.

Also mentions a bus Joe and Mrs. DG might be interested in. The race directors breakfast looks kinda good, but I bet we could find bkast cheaper someplace else.

I have to admit I did get a little excited seeing the pics of them getting ready. Be here before we know it! :fingerscrossed:

[DisneyGeek]

Roz- Your link didn't work for me, but I got an AF e-mail. Didn't look at it until I saw your post since it was talking about registering I thought it was junk; had to rescue it from my deleted folder! :oweye: I'm leaving home Friday morning so I won't be doing that breakfast, but thanks for pointing out the bus bit! Hopefully we can come up with a time & place to meet Friday afternoon; I think I'm the only one doing the pasta dinner on the team, right?

Did ~2.9 miles on the mill in ~31 minutes earlier today; after the first couple minutes I think I parked it on 5.7 MPH as that felt fairly comfortable. I still felt OK, but didn't want to push things too much so I called it there and slowed the evil device to walk for a bit to cool down; I think I ended with around 33.5 minutes and slightly over 3 miles. Too bad my treadmill won't download data like my Garmin can! :silly: I got in my 30 min. on the ellip Monday morning; now I'm off to bed to try and keep things going and get some exercise in tomorrow as well. :thumbsup2:

[katiegel]

hi everyone. glad to hear everyone is doing well (for the most part)! tomorrow is goin to be my first run in almost a month (since i got my concussion - well technically i sort of did one but it was horrible and i had to start walking because i forgot where i was...yeah it was weird). plus it's been too bloody hot to do anything! anyway. i hope everyone continues to do well and i'll check in when i can (computers still give me crazy headaches).

[Mr. Roz]

What a difference day makes....
Was able to string along a few good times this morning. Did 7 and a half miles with 5 1k split intervals squeezed in the middle. All K splits were in the 4:35 - 4:45 range. Thats a lot better than dead man running yesterday...

Hope all is well with everyone. Getting stoked about the get together on the horizon.

[DisneyGeek]

katiegel - GL tomorrow :fingerscrossed:; sorry to hear about the concussion! :scared07:

MR - Glad it went so well!

Cross in the morning; did 200 crunches, my sets of weights (last chest press ended @ 9 reps IIRC instead of 12; arms were spent! :silly: Then again, that isn't all that unusual), and 16 min. on the elliptical. :D So, everything was in the target range for the day! :woohoodance:

Prob. have to buy a new ellip soon; noticed one of the welds broke free on a U-bracket, so now the front of the left leg section is only half supported. :oweye: DW doesn't think it is worth attempt a jerry-rigged fix; the machine wasn't expensive to begin with and has always had some glitches (electronics displays inaccurate info. [pretty sure I'm not generating 250 RPMs and 40 MPH or whatever crazy numbers it shows:grin:], heart rate monitor quits without a reading, and one of two bolts in the neck has always been loose), plus it is rated for a 275 # user and I was a tad over 300 undressed when I first started using it in April 2008... Anywho, saw the bracket before I started {but used it anyway :rolleye11:} and things felt OK at least, no frightening noises, etc., but I want to try & replace the machine before the remainder fails (most likely with me on it mid stride! :eek:) so I don't end up like that guy in the treadmill video. :rotfl2: Besides, I don't roll a camera during my workouts so I couldn't even share it with you here to get a laugh. ;) Luckily, since I decided to focus on training for the half this season and am not planning to do any SCUBA diving I should be able to divert $$$ from equipment maintenance and gas costs budget to a new ellip. :) But I'm not feeling sick today (other than the normal AM headache) so in the big scheme of things this is a pretty minor problem to have.

[MatterhornMiss]

Three miler done for the day! (I generally prefer to run later in the day, but I wanted to get it done early today so I can run tomorrow evening.) I like to think that heat and humidity, like hills, build character.

[Rozzie]

I like to think that heat and humidity, like hills, build character.

Added to that, people who don't run in humidity have no idea what it's like to try to string a week of quality runs together. I don't know what it is, but this summer has been brutal. Oh wait, is that because the heat index was 110 today? :rolleyes:

I got some new shoes in mail. Saucony Kinvaras that came highly recommended by several runners I know. Very light and fast. 6.8 oz. Lightest shoe yet for me, can't wait to do a shoe review on them. I still like my fly's, but just going to save them for every now and then. Little too squeezy squishy for me. I like to feel the road. These feel great on around the house, we'll see.

[MatterhornMiss]

Added to that, people who don't run in humidity have no idea what it's like to try to string a week of quality runs together. I don't know what it is, but this summer has been brutal. Oh wait, is that because the heat index was 110 today? :rolleyes:

Since this is only my second summer running, and last summer was a wonderful treat (as I mentioned before, July in Louisville last year never reached the 90 degree mark), I would definitely say this summer is brutal. Talking about finding time for quality runs--to avoid the direct sun means running in the early morning or around dusk--both times when the humidity is on the rise. :blech: I went to the dog park this afternoon (since I have all this free time on my hands) and saw all kinds of people running along the sidewalks in the middle of the afternoon. I hope they didn't have far to go.

Good luck on the shoes!

Checked the Disney Endurance website and half marathon registration capacity is at 70%. I figure I have at least another month or two before it gets completely full; otherwise, I'll be running the full :scared07:!

[DisneyGeek]

Roz- is that like 3 or 4 new pairs of shoes in fewer weeks? If so, sounds to me like you are addicted to more than organic beer @ the Wave- possibly a shoeaholic? ;)

[Rozzie]

Roz- is that like 3 or 4 new pairs of shoes in fewer weeks? If so, sounds to me like you are addicted to more than organic beer @ the Wave- possibly a shoeaholic? ;)

Ummmm. 3 pairs in 3 weeks. Looking for a new shoe, unfortunely it's a lot of trial and error. :blush: Yeah, I am broke now. :oweye:

[PoohsPal]

This summer has been brutal everywhere. We're probably better off than most, but when I'm dripping sweat due to humidity at 6 am and it's only in the 70s, soemthing is wrong. :mad: Glad I only do 1 LR adn 1 to 2 very short runs after a bike per week. I can't handle a normal MI summer. This year, I'd just die.

MM - Meant to ask. Have you tried turning teh amphipod bottles sideways? DH runs with them, top up, but I turn the clips to have them sideways. Like that much better. Might be worth a try.

had a great Lake MI swim last night. WE start against the current (still paralell to shore) and end with. LAst night it was great goign with teh current. I felt like a real swimmer! :pSwim class tonight. The drills kill my core. Must mean it still needs a lot of work, hih.

Big race 2 weeks from Saturday. Starting to :w00t:

[nono]

I'm definitely the oddball. We always have 90-100% humidity this time of year, and I like it. Of course, not all 100%s feel the same, so yours is probably worse. Ours is so wet and blowy, it's not so bad. I do only the dawn or dusk thing, or like today, I'll run at lunchtime on the treadmill with the ocean breeze coming in the room and the ceiling fan on full.

(HOPING the wind changes and turns around to come from the East, or the TM run will be super-hot and yoga tonight outside will be buggy!)

Working my way up to a 10 mile run this weekend. Whoo hoo! :p

[nono]

Little too squeezy squishy for me. I like to feel the road.

More details, please! I'm trying to determine if they can replace the Air Track Stars.

[athenna]

Today is day 2 of week 5 of C25K and I have to run for 8 minutes straight...I realize you can all do this in your sleep:grin: but this is big news for me....Also, I am losing weight:yahoo: I refuse to weigh myself, because I get obsessed with the #'s:silly: but i sure can feel it!

[newjerseynick]

Roz- is that like 3 or 4 new pairs of shoes in fewer weeks? If so, sounds to me like you are addicted to more than organic beer @ the Wave- possibly a shoeaholic? ;)

Just about to ask a question on the 5k in January, and saw this post. Roz, have you tried an organic beer called Pinkus? Excellent!

Anyway. DW and I have been talking about the 5k.
We are discussing it for 2012. Can we walk this out? I can't jog, but we have been doing 3 miles, walking, no problem, and would like to try out the 5k.
What is the route and cost?

Nick
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[Mr. Roz]

Today is day 2 of week 5 of C25K and I have to run for 8 minutes straight...

That is a huge step> I remember how tough it was at the start, but hang in there. You will be so proud when you finish. Great running!

[PoohsPal]

Jen - Every minute you add to teh run adn take from teh wakl is HUGE!!!!!!!

Nick - The route/cost changes. 2011 is $45 and goes through Epcot. Last year went through Epcot too. DOn't know on teh cost. Most races require a 16 minute per mile pace. That is walkable. I don't even think you need to do that for this race, though. Hope to see you in 2012! BTW, huge congrats on your weight loss!!!!

nono - You're tougher than you think. We've has some very windy hiigh humidity days and I still have a tough time. Cna't stand feeling sticky all the time!

[mickeyndvcfan]

Today is day 2 of week 5 of C25K and I have to run for 8 minutes straight...I realize you can all do this in your sleep:grin: but this is big news for me....Also, I am losing weight:yahoo: I refuse to weigh myself, because I get obsessed with the #'s:silly: but i sure can feel it!


Great job Jen!!! And, no, I can't run for 8 minutes straight. You will be leaving me behind in Dec. that's for sure.

[MatterhornMiss]

WooHoo, Nick! I hope you and Barbie do come on board for the 5K. I'm hoping to do both the 5K and the 1/2 marathon (sort of my own mini-Goofy challenge). I definitely think a 16 min mile walking pace is very do-able.

Jen--congrats! I remember I was most scared on week 7 (though my plan may have been a little different from yours)--I had to run 20 mins. I thought I would never be able to do it. But I did, and I know you can, too. Great job!

Carrie--I don't think I have room on the belt to turn the bottles sideways. Because I have to wear it high at my natural waist, I've got it cinched down as small as it will go and still fit 4 bottle holders and the little pouch. Even at that, I feel I should wear it smaller. I don't like that the amiphod comes in basically one size fits all. I know there is a petite size, and I wish I had bought it. I think most belts assume people will wear it around their hips, but (as I said before) I already have enough jiggling down there.

nono--Does it feel like a swamp when you run? That's how it feels in Nashville--like I'm running through the bayou or something.

Four miler tonight! Then I only have a four miler on Saturday--this is my first scale back week of marathon training.

[newjerseynick]

Thanks Poohspal and MM!
DW just went out for her nightly 3 mile walk. I'm too wiped out lately to join her. No AC in my work van, and the heat has been awful.
I'll have to start timing my walks this weekend.

Nick

[MatterhornMiss]

Nick--Just saw you were thinking of it for 2012, not the upcoming marathon weekend. I'm not patient enough to think ahead that far, so I was talking about 2011 (for me). :( Oh well--that gives you plenty of time to train for the half or full. :D

[DisneyGeek]

Hot outside plus feeling a little spacey & dizzy on and off today, so I decided to go the 'mill route instead of running outside. Did about 3.3 miles running solid at a pace to do 2.5 hours for the AF half! :D

My details- I punched a 2:30:00 half through McMillian to get an equivalent of a 5k @ 10:27 pace; rounded that up to give myself a target speed of 5.8 MPH. Did a 0.1 mile warm up walk, then hit the 4 button and the up arrow until I accelerated to 5.8, then @ 3.35 ttl miles I punched the 10 MPH button (max speed!) for another 0.05. When combined mileage was >= 3.4 miles I dropped down to a 2.5 MPH walk for 3 more minutes and pooh; think I got a decent workout in and felt a lot better afterwords. :thumbsup2:

Maybe the TM isn't a totally evil torture device and I might use it as a viable alternative when weather, daylight, or other concerns make running outside undesirable. Could even mean I run 3 days a week year round instead of shelving running for other exercises in the winter... :scratchchin:

[nono]

nono--Does it feel like a swamp when you run? That's how it feels in Nashville--like I'm running through the bayou or something.



No it doesn't. Occasionally, it feels like a furnace, but that's if the air totally dies and the sun is high. But, at that point, I just hose myself down and run all wet, like I just ran through a car wash. :D I'm really serious, there's variety in 100% humidity. Ours isn't so bad. I feel for you guys/gals who are inland.

Well I didn't run at all today! I forgot the kids were going bowling for their first time ever, and it got too tight with dinner and yoga, so tomorrow will be a double. Eh, why not?

[Colorado Belle]

Finally a question I can help answer!
Nick and Barbie: the 5k is easy peasy...they SAY you must finish in 45minutes but I didn't see any van doing pickup so I think that's just to scare ya. It's an easy walk...no hills unless you call the bridge tween France and England a hill. The only problem is that for me, for a first race, there were a LOT of people. I kinda walked/ran along the sides and did manage to knock over quite a few cones! HA! I didn't 'train' for it and wore my CROC thongs. Other than it being a bit cold (but not as cold as for the other races) it felt like a walk in the park!

Carrie...I can't believe how much you train. You are amazing!

Jen...when I couldn't run more than 2 or 3 minutes at a time, I decided to run slower and that allowed me to run for a mile at a time...funny how that works. If allowed, run at a slower speed and then, after you get the time down, pick up the speed a bit...it really works!

Nono...I always feel fine running /walking by the ocean cuz if I get too hot, I just wade in to cool off! Inland running or even walking...forgetaboutit.

I had to take two full days off from tennis...I was just generally sore and my legs had no 'get up and go'. NOw I feel kinda springy, so tomorrow will play an extra set. Not losing any weight, not feeling particularly fit, but enjoy the game so it's not a total loss. Will run a little bit tonight to just 'stretch' out me bod a bit.

[athenna]

Thanks everybody:yahoo:

I did it! I ran on treadmill for 8 minutes, TWICE:D

Saturday, I'm supposed to run 20 minutes:fingerscrossed:

[MatterhornMiss]

All right, Jen! :cheerleader: I thought of something elese yesterday, while I was plodding along on my run. It can be hard (I know, because I get caught up in it, too) not to compare yourself to others and then discredit your own achievements. You are doing incredible work--you're pushing forward and not giving up, but you seem to be doing it in a smart way. Don't feel like others can run faster or longer than you (because, chances are, someone always will be able to), but think of where you were a week or month ago and how far you've come!

[nono]

Thanks everybody:yahoo:

I did it! I ran on treadmill for 8 minutes, TWICE:D

Saturday, I'm supposed to run 20 minutes:fingerscrossed:

I knew you would!

Way to go!!! :yahoo:

[DisneyGeek]

athena- Congrats on doing your two eights and GL on the 20!!! :fingerscrossed:

MM - Well put on not comparing yourself to others; I need to try and remember that; DW tells me it frequently on a variety of topics including running.

Ramble alert: I see times for some of the Peacocks in 5ks and know they are doing full marathons or even Goofys + tris {since I'm not big on bikes those seem the most impressive (read painful) in my mind!} and such and feel a little sheepish sometimes that here I am trying do a half and only run 3/4 of the time during it to boot! :oweye: Then I think about all my relatives who also kick my butt (dad [top finishes in pretty big races, did a 50 mile ultra, etc.], mom [1 full, MANY others, slightly faster training pace than my race goal and longer weekly Sunday training runs than my lifetime longest to date!], brother [track & cross in HS & coll + many other races along the way], SIL [Track sprinter who met bro @ a CC camp...], late uncle [Ironman and lots of other tris], BIL [Ironman], cousin [Ironman & others], second cousin [Goofy, I think tris as well]) and have a bit of an inferiority complex. BUT, I've lost 86.5 pounds as of this morning (216 #, just above my record 214.8 in May 2009) since my high weight of 302.5, and I am exercising regularly and pushing myself to do new things in the athletics world. I'm happily a computer geek by day :silly: (and have been since I started programming @ 8 years old), DisneyGeek whenever I can be ;), and never wanted to be an athlete when I was growing up. In fact, as I've said in the past I was downright hostile towards sports (and still have chip against pro athletes who get paid millions to play a GAME [but its good work if ya' can get it, right?]). All of those accomplishments are something, right? Seems like it should be in my blood, but sometimes I just don't always know and want to give since whatever I do never seems to be enough. To that end, I often question just what is "enough", and while I don't want to slack off too much and overly fall short of my potential, maybe I am doing OK and at least shouldn't get depressed about it. We're all different and have different physical makeups & talents, right? :thumbsup2: OK, I'll stop rambling now.

Think I'm gonna attempt an elliptical fix and see how that goes. If it works and seems stable tonight, GREAT! If not, DW and I started discussing some options for a new one by browsing online...

[MatterhornMiss]

Those are all awesome accomplishments DG! I can't wait to hear how your first half goes. A year ago I never would've thought I could've completed one, much less two and be training for a full! We definitely need to be celebrating all our Peacock accomplishments!
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[Mr. Roz]

Athena, great running!:rocker:. I know you will do great on the 20 minute run also. Remember you just did 8 minutes twice. Just add four minutes more and there you go. (DG should be proud of my math skills)

Speaking of DG...I think the picture Gail posted the other day sums the whole thing up. That running is a joy and should allways be a joy. (There are some work outs that challenge that philosophy though). My weight loss(60 plus) has been a great motivator. And that is enough sometimes. If you run to lose pounds or to get fit or just get out and see nature, Challenge yourself,the accomplishment and self worth of setting high goals and reaching them is reward in itself. As long as you enjoy running and it is what you need it to be, then that is enough. I hope you dont get discouraged or burned out. For me raceing has always been about conquering myself. Defeating that other person that lurks within telling me to sit, stay, grow old.
I am encouraged by the progress you continue to make. You cant help but be proud. And running is a big part of that . Keep it going and continue to push your self out the door. Great things are out there.

[athenna]

MM, It's awful habit, and I've had the habit forever:headbrickwall: I know I should never compare myself to anyone else, it's a bad thing to do..I've got to work on it...Thanks for the kind words:)



Thanks, nono & DG! DG, you're doing great!:thumbsup2:

[DisneyGeek]

Thanks MM! :goodvibes: Since it was a combination of wanting a Disney finisher's medal and this thread that convinced me to take up running for the first time as an adult, perhaps I should always try and remember that "it all started with a Mouse". ;)


MR - Very good math indeed, and thanks for the encouragement! Totally agree about fighting against yourself- a lot of the time that is how I look at it. Although it is fun to outkick someone, anyone at the finish or lap people in the pool... :rolleye11:


I'm actually feeling quite good about exercise related things lately, especially that steady 'mill run last night at McEquivalent race pace! :run: I was just trying to sympathize about comparisons and the trouble they can cause; hopefully I didn't come off wrong in my earlier post! :blush:


With all that (and a ton of edits to this, maybe I should have just done some new posts! :rotfl2:) I'll add a quick: GO TEAM :cheerleader: & TGIF! :thumbsup2:

[Rozzie]

I can relate to comparing yourself to someone else. I remember when we were still with Coach last summer and we had to do trail work with his racing team. Ughhh, if you can totally imagine, very hard not to feel like a dunce. These people's recovery pace is my all out sprint. Their workout was for me to go into woods 15 min ahead of them and they would have to chase me down and pass me. Every week they would see how soon they could catch me. The whole time I am running my heart out being chased, but it was never good enough. But then I had a lightbulb moment....by hanging and training with people faster then me, all of a sudden I was faster. So I benefited by putting myself out there. Don't let your mind steal what is out there for you.

So now I refuse to compare myself to other people. I know where I have been, and where I have come from--and where I want to go. In 2 years time, I have completed C25K, lost 6 dress sizes, 2 HM's and 3 Marathons. When I started I could barely make it up a flight of stairs.

So yes, as the saying goes--it's all relative. Going back and reading this thread you will see me posting about running 3, 4, 5 miles for the first time. I was bouncing off the walls! I think we can still find and celebrate that joy with running. There is no glass ceiling with running. You get out of it what you put into it. I think it's the most fair level playing field sport there is. :thumbsup2:

Oh yes Nono. Squishy, spongy. Kinda a higher heel lift than I at first thought. Still feel nice, but not the shoe I was hoping for. I sent back my Kinvara's today too. The toe box was too wide on my left foot (which is smaller than right foot). Felt super weird. So might order another pair of Wave Riders. At least I know those work. :wave:

Great run this morning, 8.4 miles-5 miles @ 10K pace, all before 0500. :D I have officially gone off deep end. The weird knee pain I have been having was gone this morning. Yahoo!

One more thing...WTG JEN! You can do it!

Nick-Hope to see you in 2012! That will be our last Goofy. Mr Roz decided to go down for his 40th bday to prep for his March Ultra. (50 mile race, he is NUTS!)

Carrie, can't wait to read about the 1/2 Ironman! You have put so much work into this.

DG, I think what you have accomplished is awesome. I admire you in so many ways. :) Especially overcoming all the mental barriers that must arise when you come from such a long line of runners. When my family talks about how slow I run ("why don't you ever make Boston??") I ask them when the last time they ran a mile. You can do it that huh?

MM, so you are doing the "Max"?

[MatterhornMiss]

Roz--I sure hope to. I still am waiting on the mystical job to appear before I register. I applied for unemployment deferrment for my student loans, so I should have another month or two before I completely run out of money.

So you are doing the Goofy again in 2012? My goal is before I turn 35 (I'll be 30 next month), but maybe (if I survive my first marathon) I could feel confident enough for 2012. I am hoping next year to do an "ultra" marathon (Nashville has several distances--I thought the 50K, which is just under 31 miles, would be nice for my 31st year).

Right now I'm struggling with wanting to take a nap--those usually turn into two or three hours worth of sleep time. I need to hit the gym to bike for half an hour this evening, but I still have a belly full of too much lunch, so I need to give it a little while.

[Mr. Roz]

[QUOTE=Colorado Belle;72296] HA! I didn't 'train' for it and wore my CROC thongs.

QUOTE]

CB. This IS a family friendly race.

[Colorado Belle]

Mr. Roz.....as she spews ice tea all over teh keyboard:
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::D

[nono]

Finally eeked out a 10 miler as a long run for the week. Woo hoo, up to 25 mpw. :grin: (Not that it isn't a good number, but when we're how many weeks from the Air Force Marathon, not the recommended place to be in my training :blech: )

[Rozzie]

Mr Roz's 20 year class reunion + 15 mile progression run a fews hours later is not the best combo. But I squeked out my progression, just barely. Last mile was 8:17. :) Experimenting with fueling and failed this morning. Was dizzy and hard to run straight line by end. I tried a bite of Cliff bar with electrolyte tablet every hour insted of Gel. Mmmn. Maybe not. The Gels were upsetting stomach and the Cliff Bar was a little too heavy. Back to drawing board.

Oh and I drank 80 oz of water in 2:25:xx out there and STILL lost 3 lbs. Let's just say it was a tad steamy. :rolleyes: :blech:

[DisneyGeek]

nono - 25 still impresses me! ;)

Roz- Yuck- glad you made it in and good luck with the next experiment! :fingerscrossed:

Weekend exercise goals all met here in Geekland! :goodvibes: Working backwards: I did my 1800yd swim this afternoon.

Yesterday I did a 6.32 mile "run" (schedule was 6; I usually try to round up a little, but I wasn't looking at the screen with total distance on my Garmin as early as I should have been and passed my turn by a bit!). I downed a Propel during it, but nothing else consumed en route. Averaged 11:04 pace, ended with something like 82 degrees and 52% humidity. Also- Saturday morning the scale was nice to me: 214.4 #s; my lowest wake up weight in over a decade!!! :cheerleader: :yahoo:

Friday- Did 202 crunches (suddenly got to 72 and thought- wait; I only needed 70 to center! :oweye:) out 200 target, weights (10 reps last set of chest press instead of goal 12; somedayI WILL meet that target of 3 sets of 12 each! :silly: The other 3 exercises were fine though...), and 17 minutes on the Franken-ellip. :D (Goal was 15+ minutes).

What is a Frankin-ellip you mights ask? :listen: Well, after work Friday I stopped at Home Depot and dropped $13.16 on some parts. Then I attacked this broken joint:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt277/DisVCGeek/4thofJulyEllipticalrepair003.jpg

and it fought back! :scared07: (well, a hose clamp actually did the biting, but...)

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt277/DisVCGeek/4thofJulyEllipticalrepair008.jpg

but in the end I won the bottle and it was MUCH quieter and stable feeling than it has seemed in a long time. The finished result:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt277/DisVCGeek/4thofJulyEllipticalrepair009.jpg

(I cleaned up the metal shavings & ellip itself after I was down of course...) Think Back to the Future: "Please excuse the crudity of this model, I had no time to build it to scale or to paint it."

[MatterhornMiss]

Ugh, Roz. I only did four miles yesterday, but I certainly felt dizzy all the rest of the evening/night. Talk about steamy--it rained Friday night and steam did come up off the pavement as the rain hit it. :blech:

nono--I have the sense of deja vu with you being undertrained before a big race. Good luck!

Congrats on the repair, DG! (and the running, too)

So I'm trying to read Chi Running, though I have to admit I'm sort of skipping around. :blush: What do you all know about racing flats?

[Rozzie]

What do you all know about racing flats?

Well Nono is the flat expert. I have been trying to lower my shoe volume over the past 2 months. From what I have read/learned, that flats are the wtg in the natural sense. You have the benefit of strengthened feet, not weakened arches as you would in motion control, heavy trainers. I did not want to attempt flats until I had lost some weight. From what I understand, if you are overweight (which I was) switching to flats can cause problems. Lots of them. Now that I have some adipose off, it's finding a pair that agrees with me. So for right now, what I am doing is slowly trying to adjust to easy miles with Nike Frees. Then I will probably go to Nike Luna Racers for short races/short speed workouts. That will probably be a while down the line as it's been hard enough to adjust to Free's. They feel good running (wicked different!! LIGHT!), but it's almost 50% more effort for some reason. They will MAKE you run with correct stride/form, so even if I am only doing strides I know it has to be helping somewhat.

[nono]

So I'm trying to read Chi Running, though I have to admit I'm sort of skipping around. :blush: What do you all know about racing flats?

I found the DVD helpful too. I also went to a 1 day training which I found most valuable. (Put these on your bucket list for after you've found a new job -- heh, my bucket list is growing by the day... :rolleyes: )

I love racing flats. Everytime I get into one of my "cushy" pair of shoes, I'm sorry later. Here's what I've found: with flats, my legs hurt while I'm running; with regular running shoes, my legs hurt after. I much prefer the no pain afterwards thing, so that's what I do.

A lot of ChiRunning folks find the older version of the Nike Frees have too much heel build-up. I personally like having a pair in my rotation with a bit more heel for when I'm having any achilles/soleus/calf issues. I find I (usually) can run in the Frees and not irritate whatever is aching in those areas.

Every manufacturer makes racing flats or near racing flats. I buy all mine on clearance...

BTW, Rozzie, just a note -- my LunaRacers (version 1) are really spongy in the first few miles. Just thought of that with your comments on how the LunaFly pair felt for you.

[athenna]

Well, today I attempt to start week 6 of C25K, I think:grin:
Saturday I had to do the 20 minutes, cant remember if i posted this already or not:silly: I fnished it, and I'm proud of myself, but i did have to take a planned and an unplanned break....About half way through I just felt like I had to stop for a moment and chug some water...But about 5 min later, I had to go to the bathroom so bad, I knew I couldnt wait:p Alas, guest bathroom toilet is broken (no one uses it anyway, the pocket door is broken and we were told the whole wall would have to come down in order to get it fixed...sigh) so I had to run up 3 flights of stairs, then come back down and finish the workout.
So the point of this story is I am not sure if I want to start 6 or do 5 over...I'm thinking do 5 over...Just dont want to have to do any more repeating after that or I run the risk of this training running into my 8/30 start date of training for December (even though I dont know for sure I can go, cant NOT train for it).

[MatterhornMiss]

New shoes are also on my list for after I get a job. I just thought I would ask, since I couldn't find anything about them after a quick search on runnersworld.com. Actually, I think I need to work on my form (and, lose weight, as I have done much eating and little moving besides running since being unemployed), as it seems these flats provide little to no support.

The weird thing is I really don't think I over pronate much at all. My shoes are worn evenly on the bottom (though if anything, I feel I actually strike more on the outside of my foot). But those neutral shoes I tried hurt my knees/hips, so I'm not sure what's going on. I do wonder if my shoes are no longer working for me, but it may just be a change in surfaces. I feel the roads I run here are a bit more cambered and uneven. Or, it could just be that in the heat I worry more about finishing a run that having good form--that certainly has happened before.

[nono]

But those neutral shoes I tried hurt my knees/hips, so I'm not sure what's going on.

Do you keep a log of when you wore the shoes and where you were running? It would be interesting to see if there's a pattern or combination where the shoes don't work at all, and sometimes where they do. I have 1 pair of shoes that I can't do anything but short (3 mi or less) runs in, but they are just perfect for those runs. I have others that are really annoying for the first 3 miles, then turn into great shoes for pavement and crushed stone (my lunaracers). So, I lace them up for my medium-long runs sometimes, knowing I have to get through :headbrickwall: to get to :goodvibes:.

Also, did you hurt while running or after or both?

[MatterhornMiss]

It was both--I started hurting about a mile and a half into my run, and it just got worse the more I went. I wore them first on the TM for a 3miler (I think), then tried them on pavement for a 6 miler or so. It wasn't pretty. After trying a week or two, I sent them back.

[nono]

It was both--I started hurting about a mile and a half into my run, and it just got worse the more I went. I wore them first on the TM for a 3miler (I think), then tried them on pavement for a 6 miler or so. It wasn't pretty. After trying a week or two, I sent them back.

Yeah, if it is "both" then I'd definitely not bother with that model again. :)

I have a question though for everyone (including you MM) who say you need "support." I've read that so often in different running magazines, forums, etc. and honestly, when I hear that, I just go all :confused::confused::confused:. Can you try to explain to me why you mean?

I guess when I think support I think "high tops" and just can't get another idea into my head as to what people mean in terms of running. After all, I haven't seen anyone running ever in a pair of these:

http://0.tqn.com/d/sneakers/1/0/_/0/-/-/chuckys.jpg

[MatterhornMiss]

For me, I feel I need something to go under my arches. I'm not sure I have high high arches, but maybe average to slightly high. Anyway, usually by the end of the day, the center of my arch (particularly on my left foot--which, incidentally, my left leg is also the one with the ITB problems) really hurts. Also, I feel when I run (or even walk) I strike on the outside of my foot more, which would mean I actually need shoes that push me into pronation, but whatever--that hasn't been what I've had so far. I do also really like cushioning, as my feet are long, lean, and bony. (Again, on my left foot, I have this area on the outer edge of my midfoot that always feels like I'm walking directly on the bones whenever I get a new pair of shoes.)

Also, after reading some of ChiRunning and taking a look at my posture, I think I turn out my left foot slightly. I'm trying to focus on walking with both feet facing forward, as I'm sure even that slight turn out could aggrivate my ITB.

What I would really love to have (if I could afford it and if it exists) is someone to really analyze my running, my posture, my biomechanics, and come up with a plan for me--shoes, orthotics/inserts (if necessary, only because I don't think my two legs/feet are equal--I don't mean in length but in the way they work/move), training, stride, etc. I feel I need (or at least I really want) something customized, as the "one size fits all" approach I'm using to training isn't entirely working for me. I continue to have a loud ITB (although it's not the pain or weakness, just soreness, and I'm sure I'm hyper acute now to anything going on) and I don't feel quite right in my shoes. But going to a shoe place--well, they all have their agenda of me buying their running shoes, and I just want someone who will be honest and help me with what is best for me.

[DisneyGeek]

To me a support shoe means something a bit more substantial under my arches to prevent over-pronation (feet turning in). The dedicated running store I went to when I was starting up last year said it didn't look like I did during walking BUT started pronating some during running. therefore, they recommended a support shoe (as opposed to a more 'neutral' one as Running Warehouse refers to them; I think "cushioning" shoes are for under pronation and motion control for holy-cow you pronate so much I can't believe you are able to walk!). IIRC, wear patterns on some of my non-support shoes do show more on the inner sides, so it seems reasonable. However, I do NOT go for motion control since I don't pronate severly... Now weather or not I understand things correctly (especially off the cuff like in this post) is a totally different story! :thumbsup2:

[cloudnut220]

I decided to come over here and introduce myself...I've just started running seriously again after a long (10 year) hiatus. Bought my first pair of dedicated running shoes today because running in my cross trainers was just not working!! I'm hoping to run a few 5ks this fall, and I'm thinking about trying one of the Disney halfs in the winter...if I can build up!

The store where I went to buy my shoes was a great little local store that only sells running stuff--it was no pressure and they scanned my feet and looked at my stride and recommended a stride. MM, you should think about going to see a foot doctor--my husband had all sorts of foot/ankle/knee problems and he had a doctor analyze his whole stride. He ended up being fitted for custom orthotics and they've made such a difference for him.

[nono]

Arches?!!! :oweye: Wow. I never even consider them. For me, they just are. High, low or not there, just are. Thanks for 'splain' !

I have extremely long ligaments connecting my legs to my feet. Every podiatrist is amazed when they see my ankles. :rolleyes: Net is, I have to concentrate on every running step I take, or else I won't land on my feet but will fall. Seriously. So you can imagine how high tops would be what I'd think about for support! :D The upside of my "condition" is that when I do "fall off my feet" (basically twisting an ankle), is that I don't swell. The ligs are so damn long that short of a super-nasty twist, absolutely nothing happens.

Mr No is in serious negotiations right now for a new gig. Here's hoping! :drunkard:

[mickeyndvcfan]

Mr No is in serious negotiations right now for a new gig. Here's hoping! :drunkard:

:thumbsup2::fingerscrossed::thumbsup2::fingerscros sed:

[Rozzie]

Welcome Cloudnut! There is a big group of us going down for Marathon weekend. Well big group is all relative. Big showing for Team Peacock (which you are now officially a member) is 4-5. :p The HM and Princess courses are the same--so it really depends on what timeframe best fits your schedule. I do have to say I enjoyed Marathon weekend a lot last year--very cool to see runners over take WDW. Like more runners than cars at OKW in the morning. :thumbsup2: Me and several others on here have done the Princess too. Feel free to ask us anything about either race. We are all levels on here, please don't feel intimidated. We are all here to push each other to the next level. Whatever that level might be! :)

Nono--oh man, how exciting. Trying not to get too excited of course, but very anxious to hear how all this works out. Sending my best good luck thoughts up that way. :fingerscrossed:

I will post later my thoughts on my shoe/feet issue. Right now Angel the dog is having a heart attack to come inside. (DIVA! :blech:) If I didn't have neighbors I would make her wait...

[DisneyGeek]

cloudnut220 (http://dvcnews.com/forum/member.php?u=5953) - welcome to the Team!

nono - never heard of someone falling off their own feet before... Glad you usually don't get hurt & GOOD LUCK TO Mr. No!!! :fingerscrossed:

Roz - Don't forget about the ToT races last Oct.! :silly: We had a punch of Peacocks there. :D And have fun with the :dog5:. Speaking of fur kid drama, this morning our Izzy didn't eat her 'breakfast bone' nor her crate treats when I put her to bed before I left for work. I got home, treats were gone, second I open her crate she darts for the done then climbs on the door holding it in her tooth waiting for her Invisible Fence collar so she can go outside. :confused24:

[PoohsPal]

All right, Jen! :cheerleader: I thought of something elese yesterday, while I was plodding along on my run. It can be hard (I know, because I get caught up in it, too) not to compare yourself to others and then discredit your own achievements. You are doing incredible work--you're pushing forward and not giving up, but you seem to be doing it in a smart way. Don't feel like others can run faster or longer than you (because, chances are, someone always will be able to), but think of where you were a week or month ago and how far you've come!
Haven't finished catching up, but MM said this wonderfully!!!! It very much applies to DG too!!!

Yeah, I can do tri's. But, I have been dead last in 2 of them adn never far from last in teh smaller events. Add to it, my former roommmate adn her husbadn are several time Ironmen. :eek: Yeah, humillity here we come. Her advice to me is the same i would get here, though, and teh same I would give to others. A true athlete wants others ot do well adn does not look down on them. We just want them ot meet their goals. We are proud of what they have done whether they've wqualified for boston on their first marathon or they finishe their frist 5K or first 8 minute run. We're all here for support. You can't compare yourself and you can't just sya it hsoudl be in the blood. You start with your first step and try to improve from there. I am proud of everyone who posts here. Next time you want to compare yourself to someone, compare yourself to the person who hasn't gotten out of bed by teh time you did your Saturday or Sunday workout. Compare yourself to who you were 5 years ago. Off my soap box now. :hug1:

[PoohsPal]

cloudnut220 - Welcome!!! Hope to see you in January! Hope to see you in February fro Prinncess, too, but I'm not sure if that will happen for me. If you've been working out for 3x's a week or more for a while now, Marathoning for Mortals by John Bingham could get you to either half. Training starts in September fro that program. I highly recommend the book.

MM- Ahh, you have a much smaller waist. DId not think of that. They do make smaller belts. DH accidentally got me a S or M. lol. Bummer that it's too late to return yours. BTW, some sports training facilities can do gait analysis and recommedn orthodics. If you were here, I coudl give you a good name. Oh, adn I believe Chapter 4 is the key chapter to Chi running. Drills and basics. The rest is dry. A workshop did wonders for me.

nono - Good luck to dh!!!!!!!

DG - I'm impressed at th fix!!!

Jenn - How'd teh 20 min go??? How's the new job?

Roz - lol, I thought of you when I posted on FB yesterday. I knew you gotup much earlier. heck, if I lived were you do, there would still not be a time early enough for me to run. :silly:

Sepaking of weather. It looked like it was oging to be atleast high 80s for teh big race. Then, it went to hig 70s, then low 70s :yahoo:. Now it's back to 81 and intermittent rain. :( I know better than to trust the weather this far out (or even 1 day out), but I'm experiencing a bit of taper madness adn pre-reace anxiety, so I look anyway. I may end up waking the half marahtono r at least doing intervals. The goal is to finish, though, so that's ok with me. Need to stop thinking about the fact that I'll likelybe out there for 8.5 hours too. :scared07: One step at a time. Will be sure to post a tracking link when it gets closer.

[DisneyGeek]

PP- I liked the 'soapy' pep talk! :thumbsup2: Thanks for the fix comments, and good luck with the Tri. 8.5 hours? :scared07: Holy cow; NOT that I'm comparing myself ;), but I thought the 3+ hours I expect my 14 miler training run that I have scheduled in 6 weeks or so sounded yucky!


BTW, is the Chi reference to the same author who is going to be at the Air Force Marathon breakfast? Thought I saw something like that in an e-mail last night saying the 3 speakers were confirmed, but since I'll Either still be at home or at most on the road Friday morning I haven't been paying TOO much attention to their BF! Seems a lot of people here like his stuff though, so it could have been cool to see...

[nono]

BTW, is the Chi reference to the same author who is going to be at the Air Force Marathon breakfast? Thought I saw something like that in an e-mail last night saying the 3 speakers were confirmed, but since I'll Either still be at home or at most on the road Friday morning I haven't been paying TOO much attention to their BF! Seems a lot of people here like his stuff though, so it could have been cool to see...

Yes, Danny Dreyer will be there. You read it right. :)

[athenna]

Jenn - How'd teh 20 min go??? How's the new job?



I did post about the 20, I planned on taking a stretch break half way through if I felt i needed it, so i did, and had some water...But then 5 min later I ended up taking another break cause I had to go to the bathroom:grin:
I'm doing week 5 over again this week.

The job is fine...Don't have any clients booked to travel anywhere yet, but I do have some leads and a few things I've been working on, so I'm optimistic I'll have a client or 2 very soon.:D

[Rozzie]

Yes, Danny Dreyer will be there. You read it right. :)

He is at the breakfast right? Bill Rodgers too. Those too might be worth the $10 cover. :scratchchin:

Carrie, keeping my fingers crossed on the weather for you. 8.5 hours, WOW! :eek:

[Colorado Belle]

Back to shoes. Not for running...use my croc flip flops for that. But for tennis: since I had my tree-in-leg accident in 2008, I can't wear anything over the top of my right (nerve damaged) foot. I found a pair of really old shoes that have worked so far for tennis..but they are about worn through on the toe of the sole.

So I essentially need a really light weight and loose fitting (esp across the front) shoe that will work on a tennis court. Any ideas?

[MatterhornMiss]

CB--I don't really know much about tennis shoes. Is there a specialty shop that could fit you, even if you end up buying them somewhere else at a cheaper price?

Carrie--good luck in your upcoming tri! I'm not sure if I'm in Ch. 4 or Ch. 5, but it is the super looooong one (over 60 or 70 pages long--dude needed to break that sucker up!)

DG--so far I'm taking what I feel is good from ChiRunning and discarding the stuff that makes no sense (or contradicts even) in regards to physiology. There is a lot of good stuff, though.

Today I was scheduled for a 4 miler. I made the decision (after wavering for a while) to go running around 10:30am. By that time, the heat index was already in the 90s and the humidity was above 70% I believe. By 1.5 miles, I had to start taking walking breaks. I was wiped! I felt like RFTT all over again. I managed to hang on for 3 miles, so I am happy to settle for it. I may make the last mile up tomorrow (scheduled 3 miler), or I might let it go, as I feel this week is a big jump from my previous week (not last week, but the previous increase week).

On the plus side, I am trying to work on my posture (as recommended by Chi Running): pointing my toes/feet forward and running with my feet, knees, and hips aligned. It is so hard to be female and run like a man! (any other lady out there have that problem?) But, I didn't have any ITB issues! (even though I felt like I used more energy to run with my knees apart). My left knee actually felt better after the run than it did when I started. That was worth the terrible run otherwise.

[Rozzie]

MM, I swear form is 75% of the running game. The book I am using by Matt Fitzgerald (Brain Training for Runners, the book that nono used to BQ) really zeros on the importance of form and how to correct it. Every week I have to concentrate on something different when I run. Sometimes it's a axel between knees (knees apart), some is falling forward (prevent heel strike), sometimes its running on water (running lightly). I think some of the biggest differences I can see is the keeping knees apart. Really seems to make a difference with my ITB too. :fingerscrossed:

As for shoes, I find that I want something light, with minimal support, but also has some cushioning. The lunarfly's have actually grown on me. I think they were just so different from Mizuno's it took me a while to adjust. I think though till I get through AF, I am going to just go back and forth between my Mizunos and Lunarflys and Frees. I was trying to transition into a flat, but just seems I keep hitting a wall with it. I think for me mentally, best to go with what I know now if it is working. My goal is to race my premier spring race in Flats. (March) :thumbsup2:

CB, have no idea about tennis shoes. Haven't picked up a racket since I was in the 6th grade. :grin:

DG, how is the yoga video coming along? Back better?

[DisneyGeek]

DG, how is the yoga video coming along? Back better?

Uhhh, to be honest I haven't put it in the player yet... :blush: My back is doing a lot better thankfully, and I'm not sure how to work it in if/when I do. Should I attempt Yoga on top of my normal exercise plan? If so, when- try for normal stuff in the morning & Y @ night? How often should I attempt it? If I should substitute, what should I give up?

[nono]

Uhhh, to be honest I haven't put it in the player yet... :blush: My back is doing a lot better thankfully, and I'm not sure how to work it in if/when I do. Should I attempt Yoga on top of my normal exercise plan? If so, when- try for normal stuff in the morning & Y @ night? How often should I attempt it? If I should substitute, what should I give up?

DG, there's probably 2 sessions on the DVD. Each one is 20 min. Start by doing 5 min or so - they'll do some warm up stuff, and that's enough for the first time. Then, go longer. Just make sure if you work one side, you do the other before you quit. Just slowly add to your routine...don't get to throw something out for yoga!

I've heard it recommended in the beginning that yoga be done at night, as that's when most people are loosened up. I practice yoga at night now, because our town has free yoga on the bay at sunset, and it's really neat to start as the sun is going down, and go home in the dark. But, my best days of my life are when I do yoga as soon as I get up. FWIW.

Still no final on Mr No these days. Once it is wrapped up it'll quickly be a distant memory... Right now, with LunaFly's going on clearance (not the cool colors), it's a bit like this --->:poke:for me!

[DisneyGeek]

Thanks for the nocturnal input nono! :grin:

[PoohsPal]

Jen - :blush: Sorry I missed your post on teh 20 min. Hope this week goes better for you! Yay on things looking positive for work!!!

nono - :fingerscrossed:

Roz - And it's very possible my race coudl go longer. :oweye: I know I need to stop thinking that way. The great thing about tri's is it's easier to comparmentalize. Glad you're having such good luck with you rITB these days. Saw a HS girl at the kids tri with and ITB band on her leg. She seemed way too young to have todeal with that. :-(

DG - I'm with nono on lovign startign my day with yoga. then again, when i end, I always want to take a nap. So, your call. I know, I'm incredibly helpful. :p

[MatterhornMiss]

Ran 3 miles today--I caved and ran on the TM because of the heat. It's funny--I used to think the TM was easier because it would set my pace for me. But now, I can't seem to find my stride on it on that set pace. Also am still trying to work on my posture--I feel like a Goof, but at least my ITB isn't hurting. I still don't have it quite right, because I'm experiencing some tightness in my piriformi. Oh well. It's all a progress.

[Colorado Belle]

RATS...I've been getting dizzy after playing about two sets of tennis.
On Fri, Mon and now today. BUT, it doesn't seem to be related to my a-fib because my heart rate isn't running amok. That's good!
I'm thinking it could be because I tend to hold my breath during a point...at least that's what I'm hoping.

Thinking about running my little mile on the treadmill tonight so I can practice BREATHING...HA!

[MatterhornMiss]

Sorry about the dizziness, CB. What's the heat like there? Staying hydrated?

6 1/2 weeks until the DLR half. So far my longest run has been 5 miles, but I shouldn't have a problem making it the distance (I do have 6 1/2 weeks, after all). Getting excited about the race! (and Disneyland park and staying at VGC!)

Planning on snagging both of these:
http://adisneyworldsports.disney.go.com/media/ewwos/emails/endurance/dlhm/images/DLHMMedalEmail.jpg http://thm-a04.yimg.com/nimage/2e48faf8a79ae002

[Colorado Belle]

Oh...like the bling. hmmmm...maybe I should try to do my yearly trip with DD to DL (and to use my free volunteer ticket) during race day...I could cheer you on!!!!Do you run thorugh the streets of Anaheim????

[MatterhornMiss]

Yup--in fact, DLR is so small, all but just a few miles takes place outside of the parks.

[DisneyGeek]

MM- love the bling; can't wait to see your personal ones displayed! :goodvibes:

CB- I think MM has a point and breathing is good... ;) Hope the dizzy spells are nothing serious and taken care of soon!

Scale said 214.2 #s this morning, another 'crit' (record low since at least 2000, possibly farther back than that) so it was nice to reinforce that my 214.4 from several days ago wasn't just a total fluke! :D

Last night I got in 210 crunches, A full 3 sets of reps on my 4 upper body weight exercises (INCLUDING the chest press!) and 16 min. on the ellip = daily exercise goals met! :thumbsup2: Just need to decide if I am running outside or on the mill after work... Luckily I don't have to decide until right before I start. :grin: Speaking of work though, I need to get in the shower and get moving!!! :wave:

[nono]

Ran on the sand this morning. Tired tired tired.

[PoohsPal]

MM- SO jealous of your Bling coming!!!! Someday...... Glad your ITB is getting better. hopre teh piriformis follows suit!

DG - You are amazing! Way to go on teh weight and the weights!!!!!

nono - Don't know how you do it. I have a 1.2 mile walk on teh beach before my big race adn I'm dreading htat slready. So hard to move in sand.

9 days. :scared07: I read teh athelete guide the other night. It calls itself an "extreme endurance" race. WTH was I thinking????

[PoohsPal]

Bear with me for teh next 9 days, OK? ;)

Just got bib number and wave assignments. Knew when I was supposed to start, but this makes it seem so final. :scared07:

[nono]

nono - Don't know how you do it. I have a 1.2 mile walk on teh beach before my big race adn I'm dreading htat slready. So hard to move in sand.


Carrie, each beach is so unique. Some sand is very difficult to do anything in...ours is really easy. You'll have to come see for yourself sometime! Closest I've seen to it is Miami Beach. Only the sand and hardness of the beach at low tide though. We're so much more unfashionable!

[PoohsPal]

Carrie, each beach is so unique. Some sand is very difficult to do anything in...ours is really easy. You'll have to come see for yourself sometime! Closest I've seen to it is Miami Beach. Only the sand and hardness of the beach at low tide though. We're so much more unfashionable!
yeah, but you're on teh ocean. Most of the world can't understand the size of the great lakes and don't think they're fashionable either. ;) Yes, ours is very fluffy adn hard to move on. Still, while it may not be as hard as ours, it's still not easy to run on.

[Colorado Belle]

Pooh...you are gonna do great in your upcoming race and we are all so excited for you!!!!!!!!!Just entering makes you a hero in my book!!!!

I finally looked up piriformis and DUH.ME..that's the muscle in my butt that messes with my sciatic nerve ....It's almost healed now and I only feel it as a 'nuisance' rather than an OWIE pain. My kid has been getting on me for not stretching before and after so I 'm trying to make her happy (not to mention making my bod happy).

[MatterhornMiss]

Just did a late night (at least for me) 4 miler in the dark. Ran outside--humidity still super high, but at least I didn't have the sun beating down on me. I just didn't feel like running on the TM again. I know I didn't run faster tonight, but it certainly felt easier outside than on the TM.

[Rozzie]

MM, if there is anyway you can get up before the sun and run--it will make such a huge difference. The humidity is still high but it's the coolest part of the day. It's the only way I can get quality runs in this morning. I hear ya', anything is easier than running on TM.

Well missed my first workout this morning of this cycle. Woke up and top of left foot hurt like the dickens. Did all my dynamic stretching sequences and it started feeling even more weird. Then as I was walking up the hill about to start run right knee (which has been off/on past few weeks) started hurting. I took it as a sign from the heavens that I should not run today. Came back and iced and went back to bed for hour. I HATE missing workouts, but know I got myself into a bad hole last year by pushing through a bunch of crap. Getting too close now to risk things. :fingerscrossed:

CB, haven't you been reading MM and I's year long (or longer?) saga of the piriformis issues? ;) Yoga, yoga, yoga, and more yoga. Mine was so bad I could barely sit in car to drive.

Carrie, :yahoo:. The hay is in the barn, trust in your training. You can do it!

[cloudnut220]

Roz-how early do you run? I get to work at about 7am, and I can't imagine getting up much earlier to go running. Also, any tips for something to eat before a morning run? I always seem to be STARVING when I wake up, and I don't know if I could eat and then run. But it's been so hot here in Baltimore, it's even hot to run in the gym on the TM after work.

I just registered for my first 5k in 10 years...and I convinced my husband to do it with me! :eek: He's NEVER run before and prefers biking, but he's doing a couch potato to 5k program. The race is October 16, which means I'm going to need to figure out somewhere to run while we're at BLT Sept 26th-Oct 3.

[nono]

Also, any tips for something to eat before a morning run? I always seem to be STARVING when I wake up, and I don't know if I could eat and then run.


Two ideas Cloud.

1. If you have about 15 min., try eating 1/2 to a whole banana before heading out. I don't love bananas, but a lot of runners swear by them, and I've been trying them occasionally this summer myself...so far so good. :thumbsup2:

2. Perhaps at something before bedtime. Esp. before a longish run. I find that about 1/2 c. of pasta or a couple thin slices of whole grain bread with some spread before bedtime helps a whole lot the next morning.

Good luck figuring it all out. :)

Oh, got 4 recovery miles in today. Recovery from what? Um, speedwork yesterday, yoga last night, and my family arriving after that. For a long weekend. :scared07:!

[MatterhornMiss]

Congrats on the 5K, cloudnut! When I decide to run in the morning (which I hate doing because, although I love mornings, my body is not very loose when I first wake up which makes for some awkward running), I get up 30 mins to an hour before I head out and have a bowl of quaker instant oatmeal. I feel like I need to eat before a run, and the oatmeal is not very heavy (for me, at least), although dude from ChiRunning (this is a part I don't agree with) recommends not eating at all. He says his hunger goes away after the first mile or two. Mine only will if it is so hot that I'm starting to get nauseated, otherwise it grows.

Roz--sorry to hear about the foot. Definitely baby it today (an ounce of prevention, right?) and try not to feel guilty about doing the right thing.

CB--For the piriformis I did stretching and the tennis ball. I don't think my sciatic nerve runs through my piriformi, as I never got horrible, horrible pain (though I would get some shooting sciatic-like pain occasionaly), mainly a lot of tightness and sort of burning.

[DisneyGeek]

Lots to reply to:

PP- GL with the tri :fingerscrossed:; just think how proud you'll be to finish an extreme event; hope that motivates you! :cheerleader:

Roz- Sorry to hear about the issues but good for you that you took a break WHEN YOUR BODY NEEDED IT! ;)

CN- Very cool that you & DH registered for the 5k! :thumbsup2: Are you opposed to dodging traffic on Disney roads while at BLT? If not, there are several good options available. One that comes to mind (depending on the distance you want; I did something similar w/ my parents in early Feb.) is boat from BLT to Ft. Wilderness, then run from FW to WL to TTC. The 4 of us actually extended that by doing some looping in FW and went past TTC through Poly then along the beach and to GF, then off on grass around there for a bit to total something like 4.7x (or maybe is was closer to 5.2 miles?). Forgot to start my Garmin at first so I don't even have exact #s at home! :oweye: Finally, we took the monorail back to BLT from the GF stop, with a brief pause @ MK to try and watch the opening ceremony. (If you hop on the mono @ TTC it would prob. be at more like a 5k distance...) If you want, I could dig around my notes and try and get ya' more details on that type of course.

Over here in Geekdom :silly:, I got in my scheduled 3.25 miles yesterday and 210 crunches, weight sets, and 16 min. ellip this morning. We will report about the long run results tomorrow, but at the moment all systems are go! :woohoodance:

Best weekend wishes to everyone since I dunno' when people will stop by! :wave:

[Rozzie]

Roz-how early do you run? .

You sure you want me to answer? :D I get up anywhere from 0300-0330 everyday. I have to be @ work before 0630. Have to leave house by 0545 to be on time, clocked in, ready to work, etc. The good thing is that I get off normally around 2-3pm. So it works. There really is no other way I can train in the summer. I like to be in bed around 8:30 reading, not running the roads. Last summer I was waiting till' dark and life was, well miserable. I am liking getting up so much (or should I say working best for my schedule) I might just stick with the early morning runs in winter.

The race is October 16, which means I'm going to need to figure out somewhere to run while we're at BLT Sept 26th-Oct 3.

I would take DGs advice. I never could figure out where to run when we stayed at BLT. One day we drove over to OKW/SSR for a LR. Then one day we ran back and forth from BLT to MK and back, around the resort some. Could barely get in 3 miles. Wanted to go to Poly but the monorails were not running that early. I didn't feel comfortable on the roads, it was still not a lot of light out--and no sidewalks, etc. (we like to run around 6am) The other runs we just sucked it up and got on TM. Actually the TMs are nice there if you have to do a run on one. I hate the TM with a passion, but it seemed easier to hop on one and get run over with and start our day. Coming up in end of Aug, I will be @ CR for DH's conference--well end of his conference. My dad will have his RV @ FW and we plan to do the majority of our runs in FW. I do know we need to do a 11 miler on that Sat. :scratchchin:

Forgot to add, I don't eat unless I am going to be out for over a hour. However all last summer I ate quacker oatmeal and glass organic milk before every run in the morning and that worked great. I had to slowly adjust the amount of fuel I needed prerun. Now if I do eat (7 miles or more), it's a Nature Valley Peanut Butter Bar split with DH--sometimes with a TBLS of PB on top. Before our LRs we make one of our protein blueberry shakes. The best thing to do is experiement and see what works best for you. I know some people who need a lot of food to run well, and some people run better on empty. I don't think either way is wrong, just different practices. I like Nono's banana idea. ETA: The only reason I wanted/needed to adjust morning fueling schedule was when I went on this crazy strict diet and was only allowed a certain amt of food a day. I personally think it's wise to eat a little something before heading out.

Congrats on the 5K registration! We will be with you every step of the way. :-)

[MatterhornMiss]

45 mins of yoga today. 6 miler tomorrow (I'm really going to try and get up early and run).

Just wondering (since I'm starting to create my usual WDW trip spreadsheet, which means I'm starting to get plans together), if anyone going for OUC has plans for a Peacock get together. I'll be leaving Sunday the 5th, and I think most of the rest of you all will be sticking around for the next week.

[Rozzie]

MM, I've been pondering that too. If you are leaving Sunday, why don't we have a cookout @ Gail and I's THV on Sat night (4th). We will all be tired and probably not up to park hopping. Nice laid back affair. Mama Gail's DH's kids are coming down from JAX for the weekend so it will be great to intergrate them into the mix too. (they are grown) We can do the whole bring a protein or side item. I can pick some things up for those who don't have a car. Maybe start around 4pm or so.

What does everyone think? :listen:

[cloudnut220]

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement on the 5k, the food suggestions, and suggestions on where to run at BLT. I like DG's suggestion to take the boat over to FW--it should bring back some memories over there, since my first Disney trips 20 years ago we stayed there. I'm definitely nervous about running all on roads around BLT...I just have visions of myself being squashed in the boat overpass tunnel by a huge WDW bus! Eek!

I'm proud to report I did the full 5k distance on the TM today. It was so hot in the gym (the outside temp was 101 when I went into the gym, and the TMs are upstairs) so it was slow, but I did it!

Good luck to everyone running in this heat this weekend!

[MatterhornMiss]

WTG cloudnut!

Party at the THV sounds great!
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[mickeyndvcfan]

MM, I've been pondering that too. If you are leaving Sunday, why don't we have a cookout @ Gail and I's THV on Sat night (4th). We will all be tired and probably not up to park hopping. Nice laid back affair. Mama Gail's DH's kids are coming down from JAX for the weekend so it will be great to intergrate them into the mix too. (they are grown) We can do the whole bring a protein or side item. I can pick some things up for those who don't have a car. Maybe start around 4pm or so.

What does everyone think? :listen:


:thumbsup2:

[DisneyGeek]

I'm proud to report I did the full 5k distance on the TM today.

That's great, congrats!!! :cheerleader:

[nono]

all last summer I ate quacker oatmeal and glass organic milk

I find duck pretty heavy before heading out for a run....


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:p:D

I got a great laugh out of that typo, Roz! :thumbsup2::hug1:

[MatterhornMiss]

I noticed it, too, but assumed she was making a statement on the whole processed food industry. :D

[Rozzie]

I find duck pretty heavy before heading out for a run....


:sick:




:p:D

I got a great laugh out of that typo, Roz! :thumbsup2::hug1:


I noticed it, too, but assumed she was making a statement on the whole processed food industry. :D

I blame it on the lack of sleep. Lord, I hope no one keeps a running balance of my misspellings and grammatical errors. :grin: Vol 9, chapter 12....

[DisneyGeek]

Vol 9, chapter 12....

You're only on Vol. 9? Impressive, I think I'm over Vol 15, easy! ;) If it weren't for spell check in FireFox and me frequently rereading my posts at least once either before or right I after I click submit there would be a TON more. Anyway, I thought something looked a little funny, but assumed I was just spelling it wrong in my head! :rotfl2: Perhaps we both have spelling related to Pooh's as defined in PP's sig. :grin:

Plan calls for 11 miles today, another venture into my 'longest EVER' realm. Went to bed early last night and woke early this morning (for a weekend!) to try and help with the weather. My body feels mostly OK, just a little sinus congestion. The mind games are in process; part of my things this chair or the love seat in A/C are quite nice; majority of me is actively psyching up for the run. I intend to start in around 45 minutes or so (about 1 hour after I had my yogurt & Fiber One bar; finishing my first of 2 glasses of iced green tea now; hope to have both down ~30 min. before tying one on [shoes, that is!]). Hopefully I'll be reporting success in a few hours; time will tell! :thumbsup2:

[Rozzie]

Go get em' DG! :cheerleader:

So Cloud, do you have a timegoal you are looking at for your race? No pressure, just curious. Even if it's a hour for the 5K, it helps to motivate me in training. I hope to meet up with you in Jan maybe. :fingerscrossed:

[MatterhornMiss]

Six miler done for the day! I got up and headed out before 6am so I could start with the sun. A bunch of other people had the same idea, but the weather cooperated with us. By the time I got back to the start (it was an out and back), it was starting to get hot! Heat index today is supposed to be above 105, maybe close to 110.

[Rozzie]

Six miler done for the day! I got up and headed out before 6am so I could start with the sun. A bunch of other people had the same idea, but the weather cooperated with us. By the time I got back to the start (it was an out and back), it was starting to get hot! Heat index today is supposed to be above 105, maybe close to 110.

Good job MM! You might find yourself a sunrise runner. :) There is no way I can do quality after 8am. Which reminds me, I have to do my 22 miler after work at the end of August. Going to start at 6pm, finish hopefully by 9pm. (:eek:) Only way for it to work that weekend without flipflopping weeks. (visiting Dad in Orlando that weekend-- father with cancer will take priority every time)

My 10K time trial in the morning is @ 6am sharp. Expecting Tropical Storm like conditions. Of course our route is on waterfront of Bay. No postponing, as there is a match race set up between Mr Roz and my cousin's boyfriend. If you remember, Mr Roz beat him by 4 seconds in the ATR 10K last spring. Cousin's boyfriend has taken that hard, and jumped at the chance at a rematch. You see, a 20 year old CC runner takes being beaten by old guy with gray beard pretty dern hard. :D Will post results tomorrow...stay tuned....

[DisneyGeek]

Nice job MM, GL Mr. Roz! :fingerscrossed:

As for me: Got in 11.04 miles- sort of. I ended up doing a split workout. Started later than I originally planned (I know, I know- my bad) and began running low on Propel and probably overheating [it may have been my imagination, but I was feeling pretty hot and my hands seemed to start getting clamy and I might not have been sweating as much as a I thought I should {wasn't pouring off the prim of my hat for example}]. So, when I noticed that at about 6.8 miles or so in I switched from 3 min. run / 1 min walk to 3 min. run / 6 min. walk and took some BIG gulps of fluid! Ran out of Propel completely around 7.7 miles, but by then I was close enough to home that I could do a 'direct abort'; no longer on the out and back zone of my course. Made me quite glad I load up loops at the end that are near home as my safety net; also glad this was the first time I felt I really needed to use it! :thumbsup2: Got done with all that at 8.84 miles. Did a 3 minute or so cool down walk outside, then came in for WATER and air conditioning!!! Downloaded my Garmin to check distances, etc. and then cranked the AC upstairs down to 70 degrees, ceiling and little fans on hen hopped on the mill. I did a 0.1 mile warm up walk, and then 31 minutes after I stopped my outside run (so excluding it's cooldown walk & break) I did 2.2 miles, vast majority of it running. :D That gave me a grand total of 11.04 (and I did a 3 minute or so walk on the 'mill after hitting my distance marker). Grand total time (excluding the break) was 2:17:38.02, for ~12:28 pace, and around 1721 kcal burned with an AHR of 138. If I factor in that it was my longest distance EVER and it being the hottest day of the year (heat index was 93 when I get in from outside; might be typical for some of you but nearly DEADLY to me! ;)) I think I'm actually pretty happy with that. Glad I hopped on the mill to get the total distance; held me mentally and felt fine physically. Lesson learned: Sacrifice sleep next time to coordinate with weather, then take a nap after I run! :rotfl2: Now, weather I will actually follow through on that or not is an ENTIRELY different question! :silly:

[nono]

If it weren't for spell check in FireFox and me frequently rereading my posts

You are taking all the fun out of it! C'mon, quacker was the best line on this thread for at least the last 30 pages!!!! :D

[Rozzie]

No worries DG, we have all been there. I think it took one time out like that for me that solidified that I needed to "beat the sun" in the summer. It was kinda even scary-I was alone and quit sweating, got chill bumps. No phone either. Sat down underneath a tree till I got my body temp down. Also something good to do is bring even more water and keep pouring it over your head. Nono uses ice cubes in her hat too. All kind of tricks to help us continue training.

Oh and 93 is HOT! Sure we get warmer sooner and stay warmer longer, but that is still hot to me. Which kinda makes it more dangerous for folks who don't live in tropical climates such as yourself. Your body is not as conditioned to it as someone who has already been running for a few months in it. That's why they closed the Chicago Marathon down a few years ago--people were not adjusting their pace and were just passing out left and right. Not realizing that it takes a looong time to run in conditions like that to have a good quality race.

I think you should pat yourself on back for a great effort. You finished your run at least, right?

Oh Nono. Quack quack. :p

[MatterhornMiss]

Can a body really get used to actual temperatures of 104 and humidity of around 80%?

Good luck tomorrow, Rozes. Hang on in the storm!

My sister has a tri tomorrow; I'm a little worried by the fact that it won't start until around 8am. By the time of the run it will be way too hot.

[DisneyGeek]

Thanks Roz- I did indeed finish. :D Conveniently I did also have my phone; I carry it and a little cash + my rescue inhaler & leatherman just in case... I think I'll probably appreciate the planned swim all the more after today's heat. :grin:

GL to your sis MM! :fingerscrossed:

Quack on everyone. :thumbsup2:

[Rozzie]

Can a body really get used to actual temperatures of 104 and humidity of around 80%?

Good luck tomorrow, Rozes. Hang on in the storm!

My sister has a tri tomorrow; I'm a little worried by the fact that it won't start until around 8am. By the time of the run it will be way too hot.

Well MM, some people who train for BadWater (a great running documentary "Running on the Sun"-Check it out!) make it a point to try to get their bodies used to it. Even taking exercise bike into a sauna. :silly: Me personally, I will always suffer and be a slower pace when it's scorching. This will be my last early fall Marathon. Oh wait, crap, there's Chicago on the bucket list too. :oweye:

The GOOD thing for all of us is that when fall comes, our pace and effort will drop. So keep the faith Peacocks, this suffering will benefit us in the end. Quack quack! :)

Good luck MMs sis! :wave:

[DisneyGeek]

I was thinking about things getting easier with cooler weather while I was outside today! :silly: That reminds me, I passed someone who mentioned how much water I had with me and that I could sell it, and I said "Not if I'm gonna' finish 11 miles". Another guy who was 20 feet or so behind him (I was heading the other way) said "Are you really doing 11 miles? You must be crazy!". Apparently the 2nd guy was smarter, since the 1st clearly underestimated fluid needs more than I had! :rotfl2:

So, is our official team motto now: "Go Peacocks- Quack Quack!" :thumbsup2:

[Colorado Belle]

i can hardly believe how you all run in the humidity...i would flat out pass out and probably expire to boot!

Question; i have a toe problem. it's my big toe...on the foot that has nerve damage from my tree accident in 2008, so i'm not sure if its related to THAT or something else.

My big toe has felt pretty inflexible (it doesn't want to bend) and it has what feels like nerve pain along the outside of it. Sorry i can't explain it much better...it feels pretty good when i massage it which makes me think not nerve related, but the pain feels like nerve pain. yep, only started once i started wearing my tennis shoes to play tennis.
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[Rozzie]

10K time trial complete: 50:21. 8:06 pace. A PR by over 3 min! (I know it doesn't count, but fun to compare) Finally seeing some progress. Losing weight seems to be the key--who knew? :D

Oh Mr. Roz won. :thumbsup2:

[DisneyGeek]

Sorry CB, no idea on the toe; hopefully Dr. nono can help. (She sure has lots of hats! ;))

Roz- nice job on the unofficial PR! :thumbsup2:

Mr. Roz: WTG on the win!!! :yahoo:

[cloudnut220]

Go get em' DG! :cheerleader:

So Cloud, do you have a timegoal you are looking at for your race? No pressure, just curious. Even if it's a hour for the 5K, it helps to motivate me in training. I hope to meet up with you in Jan maybe. :fingerscrossed:

When I did the 5k on the TM on friday, it took me 35 minutes. I was running about 10-12 minutes, then having a 3 minute walk to catch my breath (I have asthma and when it's this hot it gets BAD). So I would like to not be any slower than that, but I'm not really sure how fast I should be trying for. Any suggestions on how to pick a goal?

I would love to meet some peacocks in Jan--but right now i'm trying to decide between marathon weekend and a visit to disneyland paris in early april as an add on to a previously planned trip to france. decisions, decisions ;-)

DG, MM, and Roz--great job on the long runs! I'm trying to motivate myself to do something today, even if it's just cross training, but it is really, really hot here in baltimore...I can't wait for this wave to break!

[Rozzie]

Cloud-you would pick DLP over meeting all of us! I am insulted! :p LOL, that would be a very easy decision to me. It's Mr Roz's and I dream to make it to Paris one day. We hope to run the Paris Marathon for our 20th anniversary (6 years away) As for time goals, I would take what you are doing now, and shave off a few minutes. Just something to keep you motivated. I would think a 30:00 5K would make a great goal for you.

CB, I am stumped. But are not these shoes like 20 years old? Sounds like the tree indicient left you with some nerve damage and the shoes are aggravating it. Sorry I can't be of much help, but if massaging makes it feel better I would be doing that for sure. Sometimes stimulation helps nerve issues.

[DisneyGeek]

Cloud- Interesting to me that heat aggravates your Asthma; it is cold that KILLS me! I get allergy shots and they check my peak flow breathing before and after each time as a precaution. During the winter I am always lower than summer (high 600s instead of around 740 or so) when I first arrive at the office, and often improve 10% or so AFTER my shots (the check is to make sure you are no more than 70% less). Everyone is different! :grin:

I haven't managed a 30 min 5k race YET (Grrr; have done it on training runs though) but that does sound like a good goal to toss out there. :thumbsup2:

[athenna]

Just popping in to say I finished week 5 of C25K (again:grin:) but I ran the 20 min on the treadmill without having to take a break this morning!

Cross your fingers for us for December:fingerscrossed: Every day that passes by it's seem more like a reality that I'm going to have to cancel:(

[Rozzie]

Cross your fingers for us for December:fingerscrossed: Every day that passes by it's seem more like a reality that I'm going to have to cancel:(

Say it isn't so Jen! :( BUT if you do have to cancel, go ahead and be lining you up a HM around your area that same timeframe. Something you could drive to in the morning. That way you can train with the confidence of knowing you will be racing something. There are tons of races up there I know, and probably the cost of a dinner out. :hug1:

[nono]

Had a small accident involving my leg and a cart full of beach chairs yesterday. Today, I was soooo stiff and planning to run soooo early (even moreso than usual) that I realized I was simply insane. No one here would have heard the phone if I called in distress, and there would have been no one to even possibly hitch hike back into town with at that hour. So I bailed, and sat in the pre-dawn light, with 100% H and 84F before 5 a.m. and reconfigured my plan one more time! :yahoo: :oweye:

Anyway, wish me luck on the TM tonight. I'm going for 3 x 3 mile sets (with ice recoveries!) if my leg can hack it.

[Rozzie]

Geepers Nono, you can't catch a break it seems! Good luck on the TM tonight. :fingerscrossed:

[DisneyGeek]

Athena - congrats on the run, sorry to hear about the iffyness of Jan. but I agree w/ Roz about doing something local instead!!!

nono- Bummer on the leg accident; GL on the 'mill!!!

Got my mile swim in today. :D Only incident was one time I didn't hit the lap button on watch (so I double-tapped the next intentionally) and another time I bumped the button accidentally, so I threw my counts off on the watch. But, bassed on direction and total time I figured things out and finished on target @ 1800 yards. :thumbsup2: When I was done I went through the lap memory while in the whirlpool and found my goofs, confirming what I estaimted during the swim. :silly:

[nono]

Geepers Nono, you can't catch a break it seems! Good luck on the TM tonight. :fingerscrossed:

This one I can blame on my Mother. She was here. She brings bad luck. :p

[Rozzie]

This one I can blame on my Mother. She was here. She brings bad luck. :p

I can totally relate. :rolleyes:

[cloudnut220]

Cloud- Interesting to me that heat aggravates your Asthma; it is cold that KILLS me! I get allergy shots and they check my peak flow breathing before and after each time as a precaution. During the winter I am always lower than summer (high 600s instead of around 740 or so) when I first arrive at the office, and often improve 10% or so AFTER my shots (the check is to make sure you are no more than 70% less). Everyone is different! :grin:

I haven't managed a 30 min 5k race YET (Grrr; have done it on training runs though) but that does sound like a good goal to toss out there. :thumbsup2:

To be honest, the heat AND the cold aggravate it. In the cold I can usually be outside if I wear a muffler though...in the heat...it's just awful. I was climbing stairs in the parking garage at the grocery store today and I got winded :-/ we live downtown, so the air quality gets really bad.

[cloudnut220]

Cloud-you would pick DLP over meeting all of us! I am insulted! :p LOL, that would be a very easy decision to me. It's Mr Roz's and I dream to make it to Paris one day. We hope to run the Paris Marathon for our 20th anniversary (6 years away) As for time goals, I would take what you are doing now, and shave off a few minutes. Just something to keep you motivated. I would think a 30:00 5K would make a great goal for you.



Roz-Paris is AMAZING. I went last summer, but Noel (DH) did not...and I've been wanting to take him back ever since. We have some friends that want to go, so a group trip it is! It would be a good city for running...very flat except for Montmartre!

[Rozzie]

Roz-Paris is AMAZING. I went last summer, but Noel (DH) did not...and I've been wanting to take him back ever since. We have some friends that want to go, so a group trip it is! It would be a good city for running...very flat except for Montmartre!

We are so ready for it it is kinda nutty. We are in the beginning stages of teaching ourselves French. Mr Roz being from French blood knows more than me--we both have this idea of being fluent before we go over. Kinda a bucket list sort of thing.

Speaking of French, I have Nono on the brain. I have 3 different body areas taped up right now. :grin:

[nono]

Speaking of French, I have Nono on the brain. I have 3 different body areas taped up right now. :grin:

I'm envisioning at least a yard of Kinesio on my leg tomorrow...my leg and the TM were at odds tonight, so no mileage. :blush:

[Mr. Roz]

Just wanted to say how proud of the Mrs. I am. She did fantastic today in unbearable heat and horrible conditions.
We were doing a 10 k time trial this morning with a heat index of 103 at 630 IN THE MORNING!
We met up with a friend of ours who admitted at the mile 1 marker that he had not been running that much. He faded hard a little before mile 3.
Roz stayed close on my tail the entire time, my last mile was just misery in every way. She finished up @ 50:21. A 3 minute PR. Sorry girl, no more sand bagging. Proud proud proud!

Hey Jen great news on the 20 minutes! Feels great huh? I third the notion that you should target a few races just in case.

[nono]

Ahhh, what a difference another night's sleep and 600 fish oil pills in the system will do for me!

Leg feels OK. Once kids are fed, I'm hitting the TM.

Working on another new theory about running. In two weeks, I'll either have something to say, or not. :grin:

[athenna]

Thanks Roz, Mr Roz, DG, etc:hug1:

Right now I don't know anythingabout Dec...And there is a 5 day on site Travel Agent training program in Oct that I, professionally, really want to attend.....However, I'd have to pay...Its $345, which is cheap for 4 nights resort (dont know which ones) 5 day tix and at least 1 meal a day (depending on the day) but I'd still have to fly there....Ok, I ALWAYS have JetBlue miles, and I have a credit they gave me for a late flight...But do I want to use this up for all that? I'd rather use it for December.
And I doubt I can do both, right now not sure if I can do even 1.
Sorry, just venting, I've been very cranky lately:grin:

Anyway, I start day 1 of week 6 C25K later today.

[DisneyGeek]

Hey all- I'm starting to think again about longer range goals for next year including potential 2011 races. At one point I brought up the River 2 Sea Relay in NJ, which i expect to be in July or August again for 2011: http://www.oymp.net/r2c/welcometor2c.htm

My feelings are mixed at this point based on the summer weather and possible lack of group interest. I had potential itnerest from 2-3 non-DVCers; my parents & maybe bro. Since I don't have any 5ks (beyond the one I intend to walk w/ DW) lined up I'd want to toss one in the mix around my half training and 10k for the registration requirements...

So is this still something I should keep watching?

[nono]

dg, I'm in if you decide to do it, and I'm not disappointed to wait a year or two if it makes more sense to do so!

Did 3 miles on the TM -- leg is OK. Just OK. I may try another 3 at serious recovery pace later tonight.

Rozzie, I do seem to be having trouble right now, but I figure better now than next Feb/March/April! :eek: I consider this one long training cycle to Patriot's Day.

[Colorado Belle]

Congrats to all who run in the most humid, hot, horrible conditions.
I'm weird but I like my tennis outdoors and my running indoors...where I can grab a hold of something and a telephone if things start to go bad on me. (nothing like being in the Wilderness and falling on a tree that spears one's leg to make one a TM advocate for solo (and old timers) runners!

Thanks Roz, for the input on nerve issues (my toe). I've traced the pain to the base of the joint and then, maybe like sciatica, the nerve is hollering as it runs down the side of the toe. I think its just like a million other aches and pains that show up, go away, and are never fully explained.

For the first in the last four times, I played tennis without the lightheadedness/rapid heart beat. Got home and had normal to low bp but my monitor said that my a-fib was acting up and I could feel the irregular heart beats. So I laid down for 3 hours (I only had 3 hours of sleep last night) and now feel 100% again. I'm going to start taking chleated magnesium. Supposed to help with a lot of ailments, among them arrythmias.

Congrats on the weight loss Roz and Geek..Wish I could say that I am losing but I'm not. OH did I mention that my cardiologist told me that alcohol intake is linked to a fib? He asked how much I drank and I said: about a glass of wine a month. Can't believe this but he actually told me that I should consider giving up that glass of wine a month:rotfl2:. And you wonder why I have a 'tude about doctors. :confused24:

[cloudnut220]

Hey all- I'm starting to think again about longer range goals for next year including potential 2011 races. At one point I brought up the River 2 Sea Relay in NJ, which i expect to be in July or August again for 2011: http://www.oymp.net/r2c/welcometor2c.htm

My feelings are mixed at this point based on the summer weather and possible lack of group interest. I had potential itnerest from 2-3 non-DVCers; my parents & maybe bro. Since I don't have any 5ks (beyond the one I intend to walk w/ DW) lined up I'd want to toss one in the mix around my half training and 10k for the registration requirements...

So is this still something I should keep watching?

DG-That sounds like quite a race...and one that would be hot and humid for sure! How long is each leg?

[DisneyGeek]

dg, I'm in if you decide to do it, and I'm not disappointed to wait a year or two if it makes more sense to do so!

Cool- if there is still interest around then that might be all the motivation I need! ;)

CB: Hope the mag. helps and glad the rest did! Good luck with that :biggulp: problem of yours... :silly:


DG-That sounds like quite a race...and one that would be hot and humid for sure! How long is each leg?

I copied this from 2010 (this coming Saturday!):

River to Sea
R2C15 (Subject to Change)
Stage Length Description
1 4.8 Easy, Fast
2 8.2 Clear, wide shoulders, The BEST
3 5.95 All trail - Delightful
4 8.7 “The Beast” - hilly, tight, tough, long & hard
5 6.5 Rolling and a bit tight
6 8.05 Tricky, stop-n-go, challenging
7 3.95 Short, but full of quick turns
8 5.55 Oasis!!! … more than half way
9 9.25 Loooonnnnngggg and HOT
10 ??? First Wild Card leg: getting hotter
13.85 total for legs 10 & 11
12 6.55 A piece of cake, but the cake is in the oven
13 7.95 Long, competitive, the Do-or-Die stage
14 2.5 Final sprint to the sea!
Total: 92 miles

NOTE: Head Start Division totals 72 miles beginning at Stage #4

Wimps…………… Want 1, 2, 3, 7, 14
Animals ……….. Take 4, 5, 6, 9, 13
Adventurers ………….. Try 10 & 11 (and see what you wind up with!)
Two runners split these combined stages in any way they choose.

Cloud: Any chance you might wanna' join in? :listen:

[cloudnut220]

Cloud: Any chance you might wanna' join in? :listen:

It's not too far from home...so I might be persuaded. :)

[DisneyGeek]

Hmmmmmm.... :D nono, DG, and now CN? :thumbsup2:

[athenna]

Grrrrrr:mad: Normally I would be totally excited about a big Boston airfare sale. Boston-Orlando never goes on sale. I was only on JetBlue to see how many points we each had.
For the travel agent training in Oct only 1 way is on sale because the sale doesnt apply to Fri or Sun:rolleyes: and of course it ends on Fri. It would still be $248.40 w/the sale and after a credit I've got. Not doable, I dont think:(

Whats worse is I cant even book December, and get this-Scott has so many miles, he could fly for $37 each way:eek: Mine would still be like $99 each way. Is it pathetic that I am sitting here crying about this? Well, that an Scott's @ the unemployment office right now to find out if his extention has been approved. Headed into the 4th week w/no check.

Sorry, had to vent, if I keep it in, it'll be all the worse.

[DisneyGeek]

A- Venting is a good thing; hope it helped @ GL for things improving (and at least getting SOME checks) ASAP!!! :fingerscrossed:

Crunches & elliptical yesterday after work went well. 210 of the former are actually starting to feel pretty good. :D Weight bouncing around a bit, but that is so common I'm not worried about it. Was 214.8 again this morning, which ain't half bad! :grin: Unfortunately, I wasn't feeling so hot this morning (head / sinuses AGAIN) and did nothing exercise wise, but am hoping to run after my Praise Team rehearsal ends. Since I won't get home until around 9sih it'll most likely be on the mill, but MUCH better than nothing! Don't know how well doing it that late will agree with me and sleeping (or more realistically attempting to wake up Wed. will be the real problem!), but ya' gotta' do what ya' gotta' do sometimes.

[cloudnut220]

A-I hope everything goes okay!

DK-Those late workouts are tough, but I hope you'll get through it AND up on Wednesday morning!

[PoohsPal]

jen - (((hugs)))

DG - Belated congrats on teh 11-miler. Way to go!!!

Cloud - That 5K teimes seems good to me. have you thought about doing intervals so you are not as winded at the end (4min run, 1 walk)? I don't think I'd set a goal time yet. Work on getitng the distance up and see hwat happens. My belief is that you hshoudl never have a hard time goal fro racing a distance you have not raced before. Just finishing should be good. Set a dream goal (or reach), but jsut let yourself enjoy the first time at a cetain distance.

nono -Glad the leg is ok!!

Roz adn Mr. ROz - Huge congrats on the time trial!

Roz - Don't worry too much about Chicago. The reason it went so badly is that the weather was a fluke and they were not prepared with enough fuilds on teh course either. It's typically much cooler. SOmething you could definitely handle. Duh...dawned on me as I was writing that you have to train in the heat, not the temp race day. :silly:

MM - yeah, teh chi diet is whacked. Danny Dreyer's a nice guy but he obviously doesn't have low blood sugar issues. You don't run hrough that. :p

4 days. :eek:

If you want to make sure I haven't drowned or chrashed or what have you, you can go to Irnoman.com Saturday and track my race. For those of you who do'n't have my real name, feel free to PM me. I start at 7:25 and hope to finish by 4 pm (should be quite do-able). Scott starts at 8:35 and hopes to finish 3:30 or 4. 4:49 is teh cut off. If youo see that I'm dragging the run, don't worry. I am expecting to do intervals, may be more walk than run. It will be hot when I start teh run btwn noon and 1.

[cloudnut220]

Good luck Pooh! I'll be thinking about you on Saturday!

My husband wants to do Ironman when he's 42 (in 2 years) which is why he agreed to do the 5k with me in Oct. I convinced him he has to start somewhere!

I am essentially doing long intervals now...3 min warm up, 10-15 running (depending on how I feel) then three minutes walking, then more running. Is it better to do shorter intervals?

[DisneyGeek]

CN- I prefer shorter intervals, especially when outside- I feel better and generally have a better average pace. Often I shoot for run 3 minutes, walk 1 minute. However, there are lots of different theories and everyone is different so I'd say experiment some and see what works for you. I used to try to do the first mile solid then switch to intervals, but Gallaway suggests doing intervals the whole time and not waiting until you feel like you need them- that change seemed positive to me, esp. for longer total distances.

[PoohsPal]

Beth - You may want ot try and see. Just seems like when you increase distance, it may be hard to re-start the run after a long walk. BTW, I am only doing a half iron. Don't want you to think I'm really crazy. A full rion will have to wait until we retire. Just too much trianing time needed. OK, and teh distances for a full make me freak out. :p

[Rozzie]

Cloud-didnt you say you have already run the 5K distance? I see no problem with setting a time goal for a 5K, especially since you are already running the distance. Agree on the shorter intervals, works better it seems.
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[Rozzie]

Carrie, add me to the list of who will be following your progress Sat. I am so proud of your courage to tackle this. I know you are going to be on top of the world when you get done. :)

[nono]

Carrie: 3 1/2 days! :D

[cloudnut220]

Cloud-didnt you say you have already run the 5K distance? I see no problem with setting a time goal for a 5K, especially since you are already running the distance. Agree on the shorter intervals, works better it seems.
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I have already done the full 5k distance. I'm going to try the shorter intervals during my run tonight and see how it goes. thanks for the advice everyone.

[athenna]

Ok, I think I MAY have worked out a plan for December.
As long as steady income is coming in, of course.
As I mentioned JetBlue sale & airmiles, no prob. DVC all booked, no prob.
I have no tix and Scott's AP will be expired by then, sort of a prob.
My travel agent discount on tix is awesome! I can get a 7 day hopper , fully loaded for $180:eek: Same ticket is $338 for general public. Granted I dont need the water parks, etc, but the deal is great anyway. Problem is Scott's tix, I cant get him any kind of discount...Dont know what to do about that. Dont know if we should renew his AP or what?
The Oct training I was going to use my commission from Tammys vaca to pay for it, but now they're going to be there Nov-Dec instead.

[PoohsPal]

nono - You are such a brat! :D

Roz - Thanks!

Cloud - I forgot that you are doing the 5K. When I gave my little goals talk, I meant for your half marathon. :blush:

Before nono beats me to it ;), 2 days, 20 hours, 35 min. But who's counting? :p

[Rozzie]

2 days, 15 hours Carrie. :grin:

Jen, so this means you are not going in Oct and coming in Dec? If you plan on coming back within the year I would def get a AP. The Park hopper is such a rip off-unless you got your deal. Sweet. :)

[PoohsPal]

Jen - That is an amazing deal! I just spent more than that on a 2-day, non happer for my niece. :headbrickwall:Forgive me for being slow, Could you have done that for me? I do hope you can go in December! Can Scott get somethign part time, jjust to pay for food and tix? Or would that screw up his unemployment?

[mickeyndvcfan]

Ok, I think I MAY have worked out a plan for December.
As long as steady income is coming in, of course.
As I mentioned JetBlue sale & airmiles, no prob. DVC all booked, no prob.
I have no tix and Scott's AP will be expired by then, sort of a prob.
My travel agent discount on tix is awesome! I can get a 7 day hopper , fully loaded for $180:eek: Same ticket is $338 for general public. Granted I dont need the water parks, etc, but the deal is great anyway. Problem is Scott's tix, I cant get him any kind of discount...Dont know what to do about that. Dont know if we should renew his AP or what?
The Oct training I was going to use my commission from Tammys vaca to pay for it, but now they're going to be there Nov-Dec instead.


:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed: for Dec....It's been too long since we've all been down together. Hope everything works out so you can come.

[athenna]

This is an absolute nightmare!!!!! Unemployment could screw up a free lunch:mad: Scott's extention is kind of approved, only they ''lost'' all his income info from Bank of America:oweye: So they told him he cant have anything until they fix it. Sigh...Couldve sworn I've told you all this already:silly: I think I'm getting old.


Ok, I have no idea when I am going...Ok, the big JetBlue sale is only for 3 days...I have until just before midnight Fri to book it. We both have credits, Scott has air miles...My father felt so bad for me, he offered to pay my airfare as my birthday present ( my b'day is 2 days before the trip)...Scott's airfare would be $49 each way, mine would be $99 (like I said dad offered to pay) I can get the 7 days tix for $180, but only for me, Scott's would be full price, discounts are for agent only.
I am not a dining plan person, but I called DVC and asked, figured it would be cheaper. Said I can call back and add if I want to...It's $586 for the 2 of us.
How do we know how thing are gonna be then? We dont. Scott doesnt want to risk having to be stuck with the $100 per person airline cancellation.

In terms of Oct, thats a ''business'' trip, I have to pay for it..Its a flat fee $345, including tix. Plus airfare...But it would be just me, no Scott...Like I said if Tammys family was still doing WDW in Aug, I'd use the commission for this, but they decided November instead.

Hoenstly, right now, we might not be able to do either trip.

On the positive side, I've been so miserable that I've been working out like a fiend to take my mind off of things..I dont think I've sweat as much in my life as I have the past few weeks, lol.

I'll keep you all posted, but dont hold your breath that you'll see us:boohoohoo:

[cloudnut220]

I tried shorter (5 minutes running, 1 minute walking) intervals tonight and they seemed to work pretty well. So thanks for the advice guys!

Roz-I just realized that we are actually going to be in Paris during the marathon with our trip dates. I'm not running (no way will I be ready for 42k!) but I thought it was interesting :)

[Rozzie]

Roz-I just realized that we are actually going to be in Paris during the marathon with our trip dates. I'm not running (no way will I be ready for 42k!) but I thought it was interesting :)

Oh pics and pics and more pics! J/K of course, but I think it would be a marvelous to be on the streets watching one of the world's biggest, most famous marathons. :cloud9:

Jen, :hug1:. I have no answers for you. I think you could get away with eating cheaper in the room if you decide to go. Especially if you have 1BR. Big things of pasta, leftovers, sandwiches. I think you could easily eat for $200 for the week. But would you be happy down there, penny pinching like that? Those are things you have to figure out. I know personally if I was cutting it that close I would be a nervous wreck. It won't be the last time we have a Peacock trip, maybe just make the next one. We certainly will miss you not being there, and I know we are all hoping you can come. If things are meant to be, I think they would fall into place. Whatever you decide, just make sure it is what you feel most comfortable doing.

[athenna]

Thanks, Roz:hug1: I know there are ways to eat cheaply, especially since we have a 1 bedroom, but honestly, I cant see it happening that way. Part of vacation is for us is being able to go out to eat. I dont know if we can do it any other way right now.
I guess I'll just catch up with you all the next time:boohoohoo:

[nono]

Thanks, Roz:hug1: I know there are ways to eat cheaply, especially since we have a 1 bedroom, but honestly, I cant see it happening that way. Part of vacation is for us is being able to go out to eat. I dont know if we can do it any other way right now.
I guess I'll just catch up with you all the next time:boohoohoo:

You'll be missed, but it will make the next time all that much sweeter! :)

[PoohsPal]

Jen - :hug1:Hope you can make something work!

Cloud - So glad you liked the shorter intervals!!!!

What? no one with a countdown fro me this am???? ;)

1 day, 20 hours, 40 min. :eek:

Head down tomorrow am. Only about 1.5 hours away. WIll meet up with some WISH friends and hit the expo, scoope teh course, carb load and pretend to sleep. ;)

This day is going to crawl by.

[athenna]

Thanks ladies:hug1:

I have decided to just (for now) accept that I cant afford to do either trip. Instead of obsessing over airfare, etc. I have to just suck it up and hope 2011 is better.:fingerscrossed:
Taking the ticker down may be a little premature, but I cant stand looking at it.

[DisneyGeek]

A- Bummer on the $$$ but I love going with an attitude about next time just being that much better and cudos on channeling into exercise! :thumbsup2: DW & I are the same way about eating out on vacation and not being comfortable penny pinching too much. I also completely understand the cash/travel emotional tug of war; we have had financial uncertainties in the past that hung a negative shadow over things. They (thankfully) always worked out, and for us we already had airfare so that helped us decide to still go. I don't think I could have committed to buying something non-refundable the way things were on some days...

PP- Have a great tri and I can't wait to read your report! You are a winner in my book just for entering and starting out; whatever else happens happens. ;)

Yesterday ended up being a rest day for me. First one with no running or cross in about 3 weeks; I just wasn't feeling quite right and figured I probably ought to take one anyhow. Hopefully today will prove more exercisical in Geekland! :D

[Rozzie]

Jen, it sucks having to be a resposible adult sometimes. I know it must be so disappointing. I know Mama Gail Scott and I are going to going Jan 12'. There are so many other trips! I have had to cancel before due to job insecurity, and I know how hard it is. (Hug)
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[PoohsPal]

Craig - Sounds liek you needed teh rest. Good job listening to your body! Do peacocks really quack? :rotfl2: Love it!

Jen - I hate that you have to cancel, but it would not be fun for you if you had a black cloud of worry hanging over you. :hug1:

CAn I go home and pack yet? yeah, most of my gear is set. Need to get the race food together. Want teh menu?

Powerade & Luna bar at 6:25 am with 1/2 a no-doz and and 8hr Tylenol. (Been doing Excedrin to avoid headaches but don't want to do teh aspirin, so we are making our own aspirin-free Excedrin with no-dox and tylenol :p). Gu (cappachino, lime, berry or vanilla) at T1. 20 chomps on the bike (orange & blueberry) with cytomax, water adn likely gatorade. Need to get like 80 oz in. Gu at T2, Gu at miles 4, 7, and 10 of the run/walk/crawl.

lol. The athelete's guide saus that you may run, walk or crawl. Any other means of moving is prohibited. Think that's why they put this lien in the Triathlon song. "Well, I’ll crawl on in as a last resort, But man, I love this sport!"

Thanks for putting up with me and not just hitting the ignore button. :goodvibes:

[Colorado Belle]

Sure you don't wanna stop for a burger and fries after the swim?????????????
Not sure what gu is and not sure I even want to know! :sick: Why not aspirin??????

(Hope you have a wonderful race, a great time, and a speedy recovery:cheerleader:)

[PoohsPal]

CB - If I were to do real food, I could probably do it best after teh swim. Still :sick: lol. Aspirin is an NSAID (Aspirin, aleve, motrin...and a bunch more). They are linked to Hyponatremia. That's overhydration. It surfaced a few years ago and now everyone says no NSAIDs before endurance events. Thanks for the good wishes!

I can leave in 8 minutes. :yahoo:

[athenna]

Thanks, all:hug1: Whatever is meant to be, will be....I just miss you all so much.
The good news is today, I got my 1st client!!! WOO HOO!!!
The only negative is no one bothered to tell me that Marriott's don't accept my kind of travel agent license. GRRRRRRR....So no commission on that! It was for the father of a friend, so whatever, I'd do anything to help my friends...But I really am not going to start working for free...I'm doing 3 different flights for him so that good, but flights aren't commissionable, so we charge a fee...Sigh...So all this work for $50..$50 more than I got now, LOL!

[mickeyndvcfan]

cb - if i were to do real food, i could probably do it best after teh swim. Still :sick: Lol. Aspirin is an nsaid (aspirin, aleve, motrin...and a bunch more). They are linked to hyponatremia. That's overhydration. It surfaced a few years ago and now everyone says no nsaids before endurance events. Thanks for the good wishes!

I can leave in 8 minutes. :yahoo:


good luck carrie !!!
have a great race and have fun!!

[Rozzie]

Good luck Carrie, we are rootin' for you! :cheerleader:

[athenna]

Ugh. I'm gonna officially start living like a hermit, cause I won't be able to afford to leave the house.

Found out that 20% commission, doesn't really mean 20% commission. Sigh. I'm making $44 on a Mariott hotel and 3 flights. Ridiculous. And that huge check I thought I would get when Tammy goes to WDW, yeah that ''huge'' check is like $200.:boohoohoo: I'm thinking my boss should've told me something closer to the truth when I signed up for this. Well, I always wanted to be a travel agent, now I am, love doing it, but I'll have to get another job and do this part time time.

Both trips and any future trips, at this time, officially off:mad:

[DisneyGeek]

A: What a bummer! GL with the split part-time jobs... :fingerscrossed: When you saw 205 isn't 20%, what do you mean? Do you keep 20% of the total commission paid but were thinking you'd get 20% of the cost the consumer paid? So if the customer paid $2,200 and the total commission was 10% ($220) you get 20% of that for $44?

PP: Forgot to answer about Quack Quack- I don't think the Peacock animals do, but I added it to my sig because Roz made a comment about "Quacker" oatmeal (typo from Quaker I'm sure) and in the spirit of Porncess I decided to keep it going after antoher Quack or two made it in some later posts between her & nono... :silly:

Meanwhile in Geekland: I did 3.32 miles at 9:55 AP last night! :D Fastest I've been for a distance of 5k or greater since Aug. 5th 2009. :thumbsup2: Now if only I could do as well in a race someday as I do in my 'good day' training runs... :rotfl2: Did 210 crunches + full target sets of weights + 16 min. ellip this AM to boot (for about 35 minutes combined exercise). :woohoodance: Guess the rest day Wed. did indeed pay off.

5 years ago today DW & I went out on our first date. She liked the note I left in her car about it. :grin:

Best wishes to all for an EXCELLENT weekend! :goodvibes:

[athenna]

A: What a bummer! GL with the split part-time jobs... :fingerscrossed: When you saw 205 isn't 20%, what do you mean? Do you keep 20% of the total commission paid but were thinking you'd get 20% of the cost the consumer paid? So if the customer paid $2,200 and the total commission was 10% ($220) you get 20% of that for $44?


Sorry, I know I wasn't clear, but I had just found out and I was in shock..Take a $200 night @ hotel room...I assumed my 20% commission would be $40..It's not..Say that hotel pays commission to travel agents 10% -10% is $20, then I get 20% of that which leaves me with $16:eek: I never knew this, I am so mad a could spit:angry:

There is no way I can make this my full time career, even though it's what i always wanted:boohoohoo:
So far I've made $44.60.:headbrickwall:

And I cant work out:mad: I seem to have some kind of boil thing on my leg and sweat, and the clothes up against it, and the movement makes it worse. No treadmill until prob Monday.:eek:

[cloudnut220]

PP-Good luck with the race!


Meanwhile in Geekland: I did 3.32 miles at 9:55 AP last night! :D Fastest I've been for a distance of 5k or greater since Aug. 5th 2009. :thumbsup2: Now if only I could do as well in a race someday as I do in my 'good day' training runs... :rotfl2: Did 210 crunches + full target sets of weights + 16 min. ellip this AM to boot (for about 35 minutes combined exercise). :woohoodance: Guess the rest day Wed. did indeed pay off.

5 years ago today DW & I went out on our first date. She liked the note I left in her car about it. :grin:

Best wishes to all for an EXCELLENT weekend! :goodvibes:

DK-What a great run! What kind of crunches are you doing? straight up? Cause man that's a lot! I've been doing a lot of medicine ball work recently, it seems to really work.

And how sweet about leaving a note for your DW. My DH doesn't have a romantic bone in his body. Thus the reason he proposed to me on our front stoop!

[nono]

There is no way I can make this my full time career, even though it's what i always wanted:boohoohoo:


:hug1:

Think mortician. No one has to travel but everyone has to die.

[Rozzie]

Jen, start new tomorrow. Yeah its disappointing but there are other things you can do. You can always do travel agent on side, and take advantage of great discounts. Get out tomorrow and start pounding pavement to find something that can give you your life back. You don't deserve to live your life with so much uncertainty. Even if its waiting tables, bartending, anything that has income.
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[DisneyGeek]

What kind of crunches are you doing? straight up? ... And how sweet about leaving a note for your DW.

I do 140 crossing over (alternating right elbow to left knee then left elbow to right knee) then 70 straight forward, so I get a balanced 70 each L/C/R. :D My current exercise schedule has me doing that batch of 210 every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Since Wed. became a rest day I did NOT attempt any make up {that is the policy I've adopted; my base schedule is some kind of exercise EVERY day and when I take a rest day for whatever reason don't sweat making it up- just let it go [unless maybe if it was a (Sat.) long run I might do it a day or two later in place of my swim or elliptical day]} and only did crunches twice this week. Long answer to a short question; you'll find I'm really good at that! :silly:

:blush: and thanks for the sweet comment... :thumbsup2:

[DisneyGeek]

It's not..Say that hotel pays commission to travel agents 10% -10% is $20, then I get 20% of that which leaves me with $16:eek:

That really stinks that you get so little. I'm still a little confused though- In your above example, wouldn't 20% of that $20 'total commission' only be $4 to you? Or is that you have to give 20% of the commission to the company so you get 80% of that $20, thus the $16 you mentioned? :confused24:

More importantly, once again I wish you good luck finding someone better :fingerscrossed: and am sorry your dream job doesn't pay anything near what you expected. Really nasty to get a surprise like that... :boohoohoo: I think nono might be on to something for reliable careers ;) and I totally echo Roz about starting over with a fresh day! :thumbsup2:

[nono]

You know, I could take all those "Do what you love" career advisors and bop them over their collective heads! I've been thinking about Jen all afternoon, and I realized that since I came of age just a few years before her, my career advice was handed out in a recessionary time, and I was never told therefore, "Do what you love." I was told, "Figure out which job isn't going away, and then get really good at it." And we were told the distasteful jobs tended to pay better -- trash collecting, undertaking, etc.

Jen, think longer term. You may not have to completely shelve the dream job. But, look at it this way...you are now an entrepreneur. Most successful entrepreneurs don't just throw open their doors and make a fortune.

They are temp receptionists, and chambermaids, and wait staff...all while building the very beginnings of their business that will eventually be successful.

Now you know what the cut is. Determine your plan of action and how to build to see how much work it would be. Then determine if it is still your dream job.

OK. Gotta go. Off to find a career advisor to punch. :viking:

[Colorado Belle]

Jen...big hugs. 'Back in the day' travel agents who liked to travel had it pretty good. All the airline tickets were commissioned and more people stayed in hotels than now with timeshares and condos and ...DVC. Of course back then, Disney didn't pay commissions!!!!!! The travel bennies werre much better: fam trips and free flight tickets were common.

But now, it's pretty rough out there. One of my kid's friends is doing it and was paid hourly for the first year until she built a client base. Luckily she's in Santa Barbara. She held the courser and is now probably going to get the business when her boss' retires. But even owning an agency isn't all that it once was.

I think you're right that for now, you might have to consider your love to be 'part time',. but maybe, after you build a clientele, you might be able to start up your own agency. Sending you lots of pixie dust (and hoping that you aren't getting 20% of 20% and instead 80% of 20% like Geek figured.

Nono...I remember my dad saying that I should be a teacher because they'll always need teachers. I have to laugh because they may always need teachers BUT they don't necessarily want to pay them!

[Colorado Belle]

I'm getting dam tired of my tennis play being interrupted by bouts of lightheadedness. Wednesday's bp was 89 over 59 with a 49 pulse...no wonder I'm lightheaded! I tried calling myy cardiologist but he doesn't work on Wednesdays or Fridays or Sat or Sundays...Right now my bp is 86 over 73 with a 89 pulse (altho for once its not saying my pulse is irregular.
This is getting ridiculous.

[DisneyGeek]

I tried calling myy cardiologist but he doesn't work on Wednesdays or Fridays or Sat or Sundays...

That sounds like a pretty nice work schedule. ;) Seriously though, I hope the pulse & BP stabilize REALLY soon!!! :fingerscrossed: :hug1:

[athenna]

:hug1:Thanks everyone:hug1:

DG, I'll give a better example, I booked a hotel today for 1 night for a friend:

$159 (before tax, can't get commission on tax, of course)

take 10% which is $15.90..Subtract 20% of that, which is $3.18

$15.90-$3.18=$12.72

My commission on the hotel room is $12.72

So far I've made $57.32:grin:

[Rozzie]

CB, you need to see someone, like yesterday. Your heart may not be tolerating the AFIB as it once was. Your BP and pulse don't just drop like that all of a sudden for fun. I don't mean to scare you, just worried. :(

[Mr. Roz]

Carrie, let us know how things go today asap! Hope all is well and you have a great time.


The Mrs. had a very good run today. DG I know how you like numbers:
18 miles,
102 degree heat,
140 Oz. Water
24oz recoverite
3 stinger gels
2357 cals burned.
1 lb lost
4 banana pancakes
3 sausage links
24oz FF Milk
And my favorite 48 hrs until my next run and work.

Hope everyone has a great safe weekend.

[Rozzie]

Well I managed to lose 3 lbs even with all that water. Not good!

Do have to correct the food list, stone ground whole wheat pancakes topped with bites of banana and blueberries. Oh, those sausages were organic turkey sausage. Very yummy refuel indeed.
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[DisneyGeek]

MR- :rotfl2: Thanks for sharing the stats!!! :D BTW, a lot of those numbers are WAY scary! :scared07: The 48 hours sounds nice though. :thumbsup2: I need to get out and run myself; breakfast should have settled (finished almost 1.5 hours ago)... Plan is for 6.5 miles today and currently 73 degrees, so that shouldn't be TOO bad at all. ;)

[withdisneyspirit]

MR- :rotfl2: Thanks for sharing the stats!!! :D BTW, a lot of those numbers are WAY scary! :scared07: The 48 hours sounds nice though. :thumbsup2: I need to get out and run myself; breakfast should have settled (finished almost 1.5 hours ago)... Plan is for 6.5 miles today and currently 73 degrees, so that shouldn't be TOO bad at all. ;)

You are a showoff, DG! What beautiful weather :w00t: Rick and I were in the same (almost) boat as Rozzie and Scott. The heat and humidity in Birmingham was killer today at 7am when we did our six mile run. :eek: I am sure it was a bit hotter in Mobile and they only did TWELVE more miles than we did, lol!!! :love30:

[cloudnut220]

DH and I decided to bike from our house to Fort McHenry yesterday since it was so nice out (85 feels like springtime after all of the 100 degree days we've had). It's about 12 miles roundtrip, all city riding. When we got to the Fort, we did a fast walk out around the perimeter. Back to running today.

[Rozzie]

Sounds like a great day Beth! :cloud9:

Well just discovered this morning I ran 195.6 miles in July. This past week was my first 50 mpw in over a year. Now my body is singing achy breaky heart this morning-good thing it's rest day. I see a lot of foam rollers and ice in my future.

I do have to share a Peacock moment. I PR'd the 13K distance by a minute this week, with 3 miles of that being at a recovery slow pace. So I would not say I am light years from where I was going into Rehoboth last year, but I certainly feel faster, leaner, and more confident than ever.

Now where did I leave that ice pack....:fingerscrossed:

[cloudnut220]

Sounds like a great day Beth! :cloud9:

Well just discovered this morning I ran 195.6 miles in July. This past week was my first 50 mpw in over a year. Now my body is singing achy breaky heart this morning-good thing it's rest day. I see a lot of foam rollers and ice in my future.

I do have to share a Peacock moment. I PR'd the 13K distance by a minute this week, with 3 miles of that being at a recovery slow pace. So I would not say I am light years from where I was going into Rehoboth last year, but I certainly feel faster, leaner, and more confident than ever.

Now where did I leave that ice pack....:fingerscrossed:

Way to go Roz! Right now I can't imagine doing 50 miles in a week...but maybe one day!

Did you do a race in Rehoboth, DE? That's right near our beach house!

[athenna]

Finishing week 6 of C25K today...Hopefully:grin: It's a 25 min run, we'll see if I can do it w/out stopping.
I cheated today, I had a poptart:oweye: WTH?

[Rozzie]

Way to go Roz! Right now I can't imagine doing 50 miles in a week...but maybe one day!

Did you do a race in Rehoboth, DE? That's right near our beach house!

Yes there was several of us here that did the Rehoboth Seashore Marathon and HM. It was one of the best weekends in my life. Nono and I's first marathon. She BQ'd on her first attempt!! :love30: I am insanely jealous of your beach house. I fell in love with the area. I am a Gulf Coast gal, but the beach up there just called my name. I have a picture of Mr Roz and I on the beach up there that is one of my most favorite memories. I bet we ran right by your house!

Jen, we are having a eating weekend ourselves. We had beer yesterday, and split a calzone. Mr Roz is whipping up some tabouli and oven baked whole wheat pita crisps as we speak. :eating: Congrats on week 6!

[stimpy]

Popping in to say hi! :wave: Miss all the Peacocks!!!

I was starting to get moving again but sprained my dang ankle the other day! The timing stinks too. The night before I had a dream where I was running in a 5k or something and I was passing people. They were whining about how hard it was (hmm kind of like me LOL) but I just kept going until I reached the finish. I was so excited and started thinking that I really could do it! Then 4 hours later BAM...stepped off a curb and totally twisted my ankle around! Spent the evening in the ER and have to stay off it for a week (yeah like THAT's possible!). That is so typical for me :rolleyes:

Now that our big cruise is done and I can stop planning for all that, I'm hoping to spend more time taking care of myself for a change and probably bugging all of you again! :silly:

[Rozzie]

Stimpy, nice to "see" you! Loved your pics on FB. Sending speedy recovery thoughts on the ankle. I am always turning my ankle, it stinks! :(

Lisa, I can probably wager you were hotter than we were. It seems it's always a few degrees warmer inland than the coast. I will be so glad when this heat breaks up. Miserable. :blech: Good to see you posting, no more being strangers for you and Stimpy both! :poke:

[withdisneyspirit]

Stimpy, nice to "see" you! Loved your pics on FB. Sending speedy recovery thoughts on the ankle. I am always turning my ankle, it stinks! :(

Lisa, I can probably wager you were hotter than we were. It seems it's always a few degrees warmer inland than the coast. I will be so glad when this heat breaks up. Miserable. :blech: Good to see you posting, no more being strangers for you and Stimpy both! :poke:

Beyond the camaraderie which I have missed sorely, I need to be here to help me stay on track with my workouts and eating right too! I need to be poked :poke:for the health benefits :grin:

[athenna]

Stimpy, good to see you here:hug1: I knew from FB that you sprained your ankle, but I feel like I haven't seen you here in a while.

Well, most of you know from FB, that I had major stomach pains 3 min into my run this afternoon....Worked out too close to lunch I think.

I'm gonna try to start day 1 week 7 tomorrow anyway

[DisneyGeek]

Roz- The :eating: sounded tasty and nearly 200 miles in a month and 50 miles in a week both sound scary to me. :scared07: Congrats you can pull it off! :thumbsup2: I just looked at my stats, and YEAR TO DATE for 2010 I've only done 217.268 miles outside! :rotfl2: I have MAYBE 20 on the 'mill I could add to that, but, uh, that is just a tad less still... :silly:

Stimp- Glad to see 'ya!

WDS- Sorry, I can't help the weather... BTW: :poke: :D

A- bummer on the pains; GL on starting week 7! :fingerscrossed: My advice: Cautiously push yourself a little to improve, but don't overdue it and make yourself sick or get injured!

Sooo, yesterday I did 6.57 miles @ 11:05 avg. pace. Pretty happy with that; ended at 75 degrees with 58% humidity. :tomato: Today I got in my mile swim. All in all a pretty good weekend! :)

[cloudnut220]

Yes there was several of us here that did the Rehoboth Seashore Marathon and HM. It was one of the best weekends in my life. Nono and I's first marathon. She BQ'd on her first attempt!! :love30: I am insanely jealous of your beach house. I fell in love with the area. I am a Gulf Coast gal, but the beach up there just called my name. I have a picture of Mr Roz and I on the beach up there that is one of my most favorite memories. I bet we ran right by your house!


Roz--I looked at the course and it's pretty close to our house...we're on a private beach about three miles up the coast from the Cape May-Lewes Ferry Terminal. Looks like a great one running on the Breakwater Trail--we love to ride our bikes through there when we're going to downtown Rehoboth. I love the Delaware Seashore--it's two hours from our house, but a whole different world!

And I'm happy to report--4 miles today! And I think I could have kept going, but I was out of time (we had a cookout to go to this afternoon). Those 5 minute intervals seem to be the trick!

[DisneyGeek]

CN: Excellent on the 4 & great to have found an interval strategy that works for you! :goodvibes:

[nono]

I do have to share a Peacock moment. I PR'd the 13K distance by a minute this week, with 3 miles of that being at a recovery slow pace.



That's exciting!!!! Where on G*d's earth did you find another 13K race??

(I'm so far behind).

[athenna]

Nice to see you, nono:) Are you going to Peacock meet in Dec, I can't remember, getting old:oweye:

Thanks for the advice, DG.:hug1: I'll go back to my regular routine and I should be fine.

[withdisneyspirit]

I thought the 13K PR time was just an observation during the longer training run, right? Well, I should be running the treadmill today but instead we have a plumber coming this morning :oweye: Guess I will have to make up for it tomorrow. The heat index is expected to 110 both today and tomorrow with the high forecast at 100 and 99, respectively. I think I will stay indoors as much as possible!!!! :eek:

[DisneyGeek]

I'm thinking about trying the "CHOC Walk" {http://www.chocwalk.net/} since it conveniently falls while I'm at Disneyland in October this year... Would it be disloyal to the Peacocks for me (& maybe DW) to participate as part of "Team MousePlanet" (From http://www.mouseplanet.com/)? :confused24:

[Rozzie]

Correct Lisa, it was on a training run where I PRd the distance. I hear ya on the heat, it is insane...
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[nono]

Correct Lisa, it was on a training run where I PRd the distance. I hear ya on the heat, it is insane...
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Oh! I see what you were saying. I was under the impression that in running, like swimming, records could only be set during a race. I didn't realize it was different in running.

My favorite swim coach used to be so excited when we'd be doing simulations in practice and swim a new fastest time. "NOW JUST DO THAT AT THE RACE ON SATURDAY" was what he would bellow every time! Fond memories. :D

[DisneyGeek]

FWIW, I keep track of training records and race ones separately, considering the race ones official but training good to know for benchmarking, progress, WISHING I'D ACTUALLY MATCH OR BEAT THEM IN A RACE for a change :mad:, etc.. :silly:

[Rozzie]

Yes Nono, in my mind I was thinking "PB" but typed PR. Of course it doesn't count officially, but to see the improvement I have made over last year is really exciting for me. All this hard work for all this time is finally paying off. It has been fun to look @ my old logs on RA and see what I was doing last year. I just remember running my guts out @ tot13K, and then to totally smash the time without a race effort is cool. Tomorrow night is a 5K where I hold my current PR. We'll see how/if it translates into something official. Enough peacocking from me, I have my work cut out for me. Hoping they don't cancel the race for the heat, lots of liability to put on event when heat index is above 100 @ the gun. It will be tough to PR under those conditions for sure. All I can do is try. :-)
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[DisneyGeek]

GL Roz!!! :cheerleader:

[cloudnut220]

go Roz go!

[nono]

DG & Roz,
OK, so it is the same as in swimming? (Not that we kept much track of personal anythings as kids -- it was all about getting our name in the little display case on the wall at the club). And what's PB? I'm hoping that's personal best (pb in Mommy world means peanut butter, even though I don't have kids that would actually eat it!)

I don't pay a whole lot of attention to official nomenclature for running (wish I had a coach sometimes, so I'd pick it up). I was reading back and thought it was so cool that Rozzie dug up another 13K race -- I was totally derailed by that! :oweye:

Yes, Rozzie, of course it is great! I am still shocked that you don't expect it at this point...!!??

[Rozzie]

Yes Nono, it's scary to climb inside my brain, isn't it? :D PB in Rozzieland is personal best. I don't know what the rules are for PB, but I use PB in anything I haven't done before. Official or not official. PR, of course I reserve for certified timed courses. Unless I have dead brain and use one when I should use the other on this thread. ;)

To be honest, I am shocked. Amazingly shocked. I am still way far away from my big goals (BQ), but I had almost given up on ever breaking the barrier of where I was.

DG, sadly I got all my races and trips lined up til' end of 2011. :silly:

[DisneyGeek]

DG, sadly I got all my races and trips lined up til' end of 2011. :silly:

Might have lost me on that part; does that mean no-go for you and Mr. Roz for the River to Sea Relay for 2011? :confused24:

Like I've said, I'm continuing to flip back & forth on my intentions/desire for it, at least for 2011. Part of me wants to try it, another part thinks the timing isn't ideal for DW & my vacation availability, and I'm a little worried about being in a relay (or any team event) in general and the pitfalls of someone possibly having to pull out or me not doing well and hurting the team's time, etc. Then again, if I knew there was enough interest to field a full team, that would probably be enough motivation to push me onto the "Commit and just do it!" side of the fence! :rotfl2:

[athenna]

Ok, I am so frustrated:( You may have seen my post on FB, but for the 2nd day in a row, I had an aful cramop in my stomach and couldnt get through the 25 min:( I made it 18 min, but stopped 5x w/in those 18 min:silly: I have no idea whats going on. Hoping it's just a fluke and I'll be fine, but 2 days ina row?????:confused24:

[Rozzie]

Ok, I am so frustrated:( You may have seen my post on FB, but for the 2nd day in a row, I had an aful cramop in my stomach and couldnt get through the 25 min:( I made it 18 min, but stopped 5x w/in those 18 min:silly: I have no idea whats going on. Hoping it's just a fluke and I'll be fine, but 2 days ina row?????:confused24:

First off, don't freak out. Stay calm and know you will figure this out. Like I said on FB, it sounds like either too much water, or not breathing right. Breathing is hard man! Seriously if I don't concentrate on my ins/outs I get side stitchy. What I do when I am very tired is 1 breath for 2 leg rotation, like 15 sec in, 15 sec out. Make a journal what you eat and drink, what time of day you are exercising. Anything funny going on with body? New pains? new meds? Stress? Hello stress? :hug1:

DG, we sadly we are no go's on the relay. Can't budget airfare with our HHI in June. Sorry! ugh.

[Rozzie]

Oh forgot. Okay Jen the planner is wanting me to pin down some dinner dates for Dec. :D :eating:

Sat-Peacock BBQ at Rozzies/Mama Gail THV.

Monday-We will be making a ADR for Kona Cafe for dinner/sushi for that Monday Dec 6. It's EMH MK and thought whoever wants to can head over to the park after dinner. We are planning on a early time. Any takers? Gail, I already have you down for 2. ;) (she really doesn't mind that I plan her entire trips for her...) Jen and I both have TIW to help with costs.

Also, it seems that Tuesday looks like a good night for Chevy's across the way. Does that seem okay? Any conflicts?

Mama Gail, we need that CP schedule! :scratchchin:

[mickeyndvcfan]

Oh forgot. Okay Jen the planner is wanting me to pin down some dinner dates for Dec. :D :eating:

Sat-Peacock BBQ at Rozzies/Mama Gail THV.

Monday-We will be making a ADR for Kona Cafe for dinner/sushi for that Monday Dec 6. It's EMH MK and thought whoever wants to can head over to the park after dinner. We are planning on a early time. Any takers? Gail, I already have you down for 2. ;) (she really doesn't mind that I plan her entire trips for her...) Jen and I both have TIW to help with costs.

Also, it seems that Tuesday looks like a good night for Chevy's across the way. Does that seem okay? Any conflicts?

Mama Gail, we need that CP schedule! :scratchchin:


The list should be coming out at the end of this month.

[nono]

I just booked the Poly Luau (whatever it is called) for Wed night. Tues we could do Chevys!!!!!...is anyone else doing the VMCP??

[DisneyGeek]

A- Good luck with the cramping issue, that really stinks... :(

Roz- Totally understand on the airfare, etc. for the relay- thanks for clarifying. I've only made it to one Peacock event thus far so I'm certainly the one who is WAYYY behind the curve on team events! ;) Wish I was able to make Dec, but sadly that isn't happening... (Unless I win the lottery soon! :grin:)

[Rozzie]

I just booked the Poly Luau (whatever it is called) for Wed night. Tues we could do Chevys!!!!!...is anyone else doing the VMCP??

I know Mama Gail and I are sitting out the party, and I think Jen mentioned she also isn't going this time.

So Nono you in for Kona Cafe on Monday or out? No big deal, just was going to make a ADR this week.

Chevy's sounds fun for Tuesday. :biggulp:

[nono]

So Nono you in for Kona Cafe on Monday or out? No big deal, just was going to make a ADR this week.


Ok, sure thing. :) Add 4, if you can.

We won't have annual passes, and weren't really planning on doing the parks...now s is saying he needs to ride the "flat rollercoaster" (Peoplemover, TTA whatever)...

December is a long way past here, and I'm having a really hard time thinking about it! I've got wall-to-wall people booked into my home for the next 3 weeks, so I'm just trying to stay on top of that (and keep the sheets clean and the beds made!)

[athenna]

Thanks for the advice on my stomach cramp:hug1: Today I am going to backtrack and try week 6 over again and see how I do today.

In texting w/Roz this morn, discussing ressies...I tried to get a table for 10 for Kona Mon 12/6, since it's EMH @ MK, our thinking was, we can head over after dinner, HOWEVER, the only time available now is 7:50, so I didn't book it,

Ok, just heard from Roz, I'm checking the Wave for tables of 10, they do have a 5:10pm ressie! I just let Roz know, and I booked it.


We are good w/doing Chevy's on Tuesday

We aren't doing MVMCP.

As much as we want to do the CP, I've never done it, but I've always wanted to, but I think it's gonna be over the budget:boohoohoo: Unless a miracle happens.

[PoohsPal]

Hey all! Forgie my late report. I have been so busy. Friends in from out of town adn family coming Friday. I didn't even have a chance to look at my results to knwo my real time unitl last night. :eek:


I promise to do a full report, mayb ethis weekend. Here's a mini-report:

So much to say about the race. Was raining at the start. yuck! I did really well with the swim, but was slower than I wanted. Still, I did it and did freestyle the whole way.

The bike was good. Was tired of having mud on everything. Was ready to be done at mile 20. Still, I was really pleased with my time.

First 3 miles of the run were great. I was thrilled. Legs felt wonderfu;. Could do that forever. Then the heat and hills hit. Walked the hills. Walked the boring hot stretches. Still, I planned on 16 mpm and kept it clsoer to 15.


Finally saw Scott across teh way at about mile 8. I think I win wife of the year for making Scott shoult about 10 times across about 50 yd that he had been swept. Just couldn't comprehend what he was telling me. Got to say, that took what little joy there was out. :-( Talk about your hollow victory. After he finished and I got the whole scoop, I felt better. Of course, he was pretty much just putting on a brave face.


Scott rocked th swim! he was about 6 min faster on his 1.2 mile swim than his 0.9 mile swim last year in Chicago. Got to the bike and was flying high. I'll try to keep it short. he said he will do a report this time. I think he needs it to put it in perspectiv.e So, he ends up sepandign over 25 min helping 2 different people change tubes.Who the heck enters a 70.3 not knowing how to change a tube??????? Ends up dumping his water both times and the 2nd time, it was muddy, so he could not clip one shoe back in. But no way could Scott pass them by without asking if they need help. So, with about 5 miles out, he and another guy (Phil) get told that they had 20 min to finish or get swept. He doesn't want to cut it close, so he starts hammering. Finishes in 15 min. Crosses the line and is told he missed by 2 min. Hand in your chip, you're done. Now, he did remember the cutoff wrong and that was his mistake. It just seems wrong to me that someone told him he had about 20 min and was off by 7, though. :-(

Anyway, so he racks his bike and pouts a bit adn sees Phil heading out of T2 for the run. He asks him if he's still going to run and Phil says yes. So, Scott heads out too. I think this is the biggest rebel thing he has ever done! he pulls off an awesome run. Finishes, and does not go for medal or shirt, as he knows he has an official finish. Sees later that Phil actually got them. Still, I don't think he would have taken them if offered because he was not an official finisher. He's struggling with all this now. Knows in his heart that the bling doeans't matter and he would have met his goal if not for the helping others and a few other weird things that happeneed. Still....... I feel so bad for him. It just seems so wrong in the cosmic scheme of things. On the flip side, I am so proud of him. He did awesome on the race and is just too good of a person to let people struggle when he could help. Seems much more important than a medal and a shirt in the overall scheme of things.

So, his being down reallytook a lot of the fun out of it. I feel guilty when I look at my medal or finisher shirt or the other stuff I bought. :(

Oh, and who the heck gives out a long sleeved shirt for a July 31 race?????? Ugh.


Huge thanks to all of you for thinking of us! It was a wonderful feeling to have such support!

[mickeyndvcfan]

Great job Carrie!!! Sorry for Scott not getting his bling but he is really the biggest winner of all for that day.

[mickeyndvcfan]

Hey Jen, how weird is this...I got this e-mail and after all the discussion about your problem I thought I would share it with ya'll. Oh, and it talks about another problem also.




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August Nutrition Article
side stitches and diarrhea







THE ATHLETE'S KITCHEN
Copyright: Run the Day, Nancy Clark MS RD CSSD August 2010


Undesired Sideliners: Side Stitches and Runner's Trots


"I'm afraid to eat before I exercise ... I might get a side stitch."
"I always carry toilet paper with me when I go on a long run."
"How can I change my sports diet to so I don't need pit stops..???"


Little is more frustrating to a competitive athlete than to be well trained for an event and then get sidelined with a side stitch or diarrhea. Yes, the sports diet that's intended to enhance your performance can also bring you to a screeching halt! Sound familiar?
Transit troubles and gastrointestinal (GI) concerns are common among athletes, particularly those who run and jostle their intestines. An estimated 30 to 50% of distance runners experience exercise-related intestinal problems, with women experiencing more problems than do men.
If you are among the many active people who fear side stitches, loose stools, and GI distress, keep reading. The goal of this article is to offer some information and advice that can help you manage, if not reduce, your transit troubles.


Side stitches
A side stitch-that stabbing pain in your gut that can bring you to a stand-still-is familiar to about 60% of athletes. Because getting attacked by a side stitch is unpredictable (that is, one day you might get one but the next day you don't), they are hard to research. The available data suggests they commonly occur in the same spot: on the upper right side of the abdomen where the liver is attached to the diaphragm by two ligaments.
While we aren't 100% certain what causes a side stitch, the prevailing theory is exercise creates stress on the ligaments that connect the liver to the diaphragm. Stitches can be provoked by a heavy dose of pre-exercise food/fluids, minimal training and inadequate pre-exercise warm-up. Wearing a tight belt can help reduce organ jostling and reduce the symptoms. You could also record your food and fluid intake to try to detect triggers (too much pre-exercise water? too large a meal?). With repeated dietary tweaks, you can hopefully discover a tolerable portion of pre-exercise fuel.
To treat a side stitch, many athletes bend forward, stretch the affected side, breathe deeply from the belly, push up on the affected area, tighten the abdominal muscles, and/or change from "shallow" to "deep" breathing. (Pretend you are blowing out candles while exhaling with pursed lips.)


Dreaded diarrhea
Marathoner Bill Rodgers may have been right when he commented more marathons are won or lost at the porta-toilets than they are at the dinner table! Diarrhea is a major concern for many athletes, particularly those who run. Understandably so. Running jostles the intestines, reduces blood flow to the intestines as the body sends more blood to the exercising muscles, stimulates changes in intestinal hormones that hasten transit time, alters absorption rate, and contributes to dehydration-based diarrhea. Add some stress, pre-event jitters, high intensity effort-and it's no wonder athletes (particularly novices whose bodies are yet unaccustomed to the stress of hard exercise) fret about "runners' trots."
Exercise-specifically more exercise than your body is accustomed to doing-speeds up GI transit time. (Strength- training also accelerated transit time from an average of 44 hours to 20 hours in healthy, untrained 60-year old men.) As your body adjusts to the exercise, your intestines may resume standard bowel patterns. But not always, as witnessed by the number of experienced runners who carry toilet paper with them while running. (They also know the whereabouts of every public toilet on the route!) Athletes with pre-existing GI conditions, such as irritable bowel or lactose intolerance, commonly deal with runners' trots.


Solutions for intestinal rebellion
To help alleviate undesired pit stops, try exercising lightly before a harder workout to help empty your bowels. Also experiment with training at different times of the day. If you are a morning runner, drink a warm beverage (tea, coffee, water) to stimulate a bowel movement; then allow time to sit on the toilet to do your business prior to exercising. When exercising, visualize yourself having no intestinal problems. A positive mindset (as opposed to useless fretting) may control the problem.
The following nutrition tips might help you fuel wisely and reduce the symptoms:


1) Eat less high fiber cereal. Fiber increases fecal bulk and movement, thereby reducing transit time. High fiber = High risk of distress. Triathletes with a high fiber intake reported more GI complaints than those with a lower fiber intake.


2) Limit "sugar-free" gum, candies and foods that contain sorbitol, a type of sugar that can cause diarrhea.


3) Keep a food & diarrhea chart to pinpoint food triggers. For a week, eliminate any suspicious foods--excessive intakes of juice, coffee, fresh or dried fruits, beans, lentils, milk, high fiber breads and cereals, gels, commercial sports foods. Next, eat a big dose of the suspected food and observe changes in bowel movements. If you stop having diarrhea when you cut out bran cereal, but have a worrisome situation when you eat an extra-large portion, the answer becomes obvious: eat less bran cereal.


4) Learn your personal transit time by eating sesame seeds, corn or beets--foods that can be seen in feces. Because food moves through most people's intestines in 1 to 3 days, the trigger may be a food you ate a few days ago.


5) Stay well hydrated. GI complaints are common in runners who have lost more than 4% of their body weight in sweat. (That's 6 lb. for a 150 lb. athlete.) Runners may think they got diarrhea because of the sports drink they consumed, but the diarrhea might have been related to dehydration.


6) When all else fails, you might want to consult with your doctor about timely use of anti-diarrhea medicine, such as Immodium. Perhaps that will be your saving grace.


The bottom line
You are not alone with your concerns. Yet, your body is unique and you need to experiment with different food and exercise patterns to find a solution that brings peacefulness to your exercise program.


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[Rozzie]

Great job Carrie!!! Sorry for Scott not getting his bling but he is really the biggest winner of all for that day.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Tell Scott we are all very proud of him, especially finishing the race. I don't think I would have, and know I would have always regretted it too. Me and my temper-tantrums! :blush: But do enjoy your success Carrie. You worked so hard and moments like this (your first 1/2 Iron) come once in a lifetime. Pat yourself on back and tell yourself to remember the great feeling next time you feel like pulling up in training. Very proud! First Peacock to complete a 1/2 Ironman!! :rocker:

Mama Gail, that was a great article. Hopefully Jen can get a breathing pattern down and all this will be a distant memory.

[athenna]

Thanks for the article Gail!:hug1: Today I feel great! So whatever it was Mon & Tues was a fluke I guess...;In looking at the article, one thing that struck me was where it says limit sugar free gum, it doesn't give me the other issue (thank heavens:grin:) but maybe that had something to do with my stomach? I chew gum constantly!

Carrie, way to go:cheerleader: Sorry that Scott didn't finish, bue he did great, too:cheerleader:

[Colorado Belle]

So proud of you Carrie!
And please tell Scott that he's a true athlete and a very compassionate competitor. I wonder, Pooh, if you wrote to the race officials and told them what happened, if something couldn't be done..it just seems so unfair and I know life isn't , but it would be nice to see the 'good guys' come in for a change.

Jen...glad you're feeling better and congrats on week 6.

I haven't done a thing since Friday except exercise my middle finger when X and his lawyer showed up at my 'creditors meeting' where no one ever comes because you just give your name and address and answer 5 questions. So I'm planning on making up for it tonight AFTER I treat myself to a movie.

[DisneyGeek]

Carrie- congrats and Scott is a great guy; eventually what goes around comes around, all just a matter of time! :thumbsup2:

A- Nice on week 6, glad you are doing better!

CB- GL with the X & such and I hope you enjoy[ed] your movie!

I've been under the weather (stomach, sinuses, headache...) on and off since Sunday morning and didn't exercise yesterday OR today. I sure hope I'm up to snuff tomorrow; want to get back on track! :fingerscrossed:

[Rozzie]

Peacock warning!

New PR, by over 1:30. 23:34, something like a 7:35 pace. Whhoeee! I never thought I would ever crack 25:00-only took 2 years LOL. Best part was I felt strong in the heat.

Mr Roz PR'd too-21:40, a 6:58 pace. I think he is ready to smash that marathon time next month, so proud of him!!!!
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[mickeyndvcfan]

Peacock warning!

New PR, by over 1:30. 23:34, something like a 7:35 pace. Whhoeee! I never thought I would ever crack 25:00-only took 2 years LOL. Best part was I felt strong in the heat.

Mr Roz PR'd too-21:40, a 6:58 pace. I think he is ready to smash that marathon time next month, so proud of him!!!!
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CONGRATULATIONS to both of you!!!!

See Never say Never!

So you think Mr Roz is going to BQ next month?

[mickeyndvcfan]

Jen...glad you where alright today.

DG ....hope you are feeling better tomorrow

[Rozzie]

Mama Gail, sadly there won't be any BQs next month (at least from the Rozzies LOL). We are still off on our times. But maybe Philly next year, if things keep on track we might go for it there.

Jen so happy you had a great run!

DG, get feeling better, there is training to do. :poke: j/K get some rest and you will back on track before you know it.

[athenna]

Way to go, Roz and Mr Roz:cheerleader::cheerleader:

DG, Hope you feel better today!

Thanks everyone:hug1:

[PoohsPal]

jen - So glad you are feeling better!!!! Hope this continues!!

DG - Hope you feel better soon!

Roz & Mr. Roz - Huge congrats on your PRs!!! That is awesome!

Thanks for all the congrats! Scott is getting better about things. He knows in his heart what all of you are saying (I've been saying it too). He just needs his head to catch up.

[cloudnut220]

PP-Congratulations on the race!

DG-take it easy and feel better!

Roz-Awesome job on the times!

I'm starting to feel a bit discouraged on times and intervals...mainly because I was talking to a friend of mine last night who is a big runner, ran cross country in college, etc. She was complaining about how because of some health issues she had her worst time ever on a 5k July 4 weekend...30 minutes. She's like "yeah even my 62 year old dad beat me". And here my goal time for this first race is 30 minutes. She asked why so slow and I said something about intervals and she said no one should have to do intervals for a 5k...which got me thinking is there something wrong with me. So I thought I would ask on here since you all I have more experience than I do...should I be trying to run a whole 5k without intervals? When I did 4 miles on Sunday with intervals it felt great and I never felt like I reached a place where I couldn't breathe at all. Thoughts?

Alright, enough worrying and off to the gym to do some time on the TM before it gets too hot in there. I was hoping I could run outside since i'm off today, but no luck since it's thicker than pea soup out there already :-/

[PoohsPal]

Beth - Rule #1. You are doing this for yourself only. You do what feels good to you. If you feel the need to justify your intervals, I'm thinking your asthma is a darn good justification. Plus, you want to move on. Doing 5Ks teh way you want to do a half may not be what an elite would do, but it seems a great way to get a base and find out what works to me. If you need 3 min to catch your breath after a 5K, getting up to a half is going to require a lot of long breaks. Your "friend" sounds like she was belittling you to make herself feel better about her perceived poor performance. Funny, I have a friend who is a multiple time Ironman. We have completely different goals and styles, but she encourages me every step of the way. Makes me forget how much better she is than me. That's a true friend. While we make suggestions here, you know that all we want is for you to do the best you can and for you to find what works. Finally, and I have said this to many people, don't compare yourself to others. Our bodies are diferent, our body chemistry is different adn our goals and desires are different. When you get out there, you are racing for yourself. Please don't let what your friend said get to you. :hug1: Sorry to ramble, it really upsets me when people are so insensitive, especially to someone new who could use encouragement. :mad:

[cloudnut220]

Thanks for helping me keep it in perspective Carrie:D I do think my friend is having some personal issues and that could be part of the reason for the comment, but still, you're right, I need to focus on doing this for me.

I just got back from the gym, and I ran just over 4 miles, which I'll admit is further than I thought I could go when I started this whole thing 3 months ago. So I just need to keep going. I know that the half marathon is my goal right now and that the 5k is just a stop on the path to make sure I have some race experience. :goodvibes:

[mickeyndvcfan]

Thanks for helping me keep it in perspective Carrie:D I do think my friend is having some personal issues and that could be part of the reason for the comment, but still, you're right, I need to focus on doing this for me.

I just got back from the gym, and I ran just over 4 miles, which I'll admit is further than I thought I could go when I started this whole thing 3 months ago. So I just need to keep going. I know that the half marathon is my goal right now and that the 5k is just a stop on the path to make sure I have some race experience. :goodvibes:


Remember that you will always have off days. Not every run will be the same as the last. Just run healthy for you and have fun. :rocker:

[nono]

TOWELS! I'm BEHIND ON TOWELS...and now my sister and BIL are coming in Friday night! (They don't need towels as they bring their own, but it means my LR will have to be tomorrow, 'cause it'll never happen Sat!) Pass the water. I need to hydrate!

Carrie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cool stuff!

Mr. Roz and Roz, you're sandbagging going with the 4 hr pace group at AFM! :p (That's smack locker room talk for GREAT JOB the other night!)

cloudnut, some people always do intervals. I find slow running a lot easier than switching gears to a walk and then getting back in gear. I'm not you and you aren't me. :goodvibes: I really don't care what you are doing out there as long as you are OUT THERE!!!!! :thumbsup2:

[Rozzie]

Beth, I echo what everyone else said. Some "fast" people do intervals--one being a guy from another board I post on that BQ'd doing a 6-1 interval at WDW last year. Think his time was 3:4something. That is some crazy fast intervals! I can't handle the math myself....my IQ drops rapidly after mile 10.

Saying that, we all have to start somewhere. Set your goal, get your plan, and follow your own path. You are going to be simply amazed at where you will be in a year from now. :goodvibes:

[MatterhornMiss]

Excellent job, Carrie. I am so proud of you and Scott. I think they should've given him an extra special medal.

Cloudnut--definitely be proud of your accomplishments. I know it is hard not to compare yourself to other runners. But talk with a non-runner, and find out how amazed he or she is that you ran a mile or two (which in my clouded perspective seems like no big thing). You are doing great.

Well, I'm still on my running schedule. I hate getting up so early to run, but it's my only option. Yesterday and today there are actually heat warnings for dangerous heat. I'll have to run on the TM today (4 miles) which sucks, but I turned off my alarm this morning. Since my long run of 8 miles on Saturday, I have been having some pretty serious Achilles tightness. There really isn't any pain, it just feels so tight. And stretching doesn't seem to help it. I feel like my battered body just can't catch a break. :oweye: Any words of encouragement for my Achilles?

On the positive, I do finally have a job. I should start August 17. So I will still be unemployed next week for my big 3-0 bday (I think it's kinda funny to say I'm turning 30 unemployed and living in my sister's basement). Because it is the last week and a half off before I have to start earning my time off, I came up with the plan yesterday to drive up to Niagara Falls for a couple of days, then spend a day or two touring the Bourbon trail with a friend to celebrate next week. I had dreams of going to Europe or taking a cruise, but I certainly don't have anywhere that amount of dough. So it's off to Niagara (I really want to just be able to use my passport one last time this summer :silly:).

One of the many downsides to being unemployed--the fact that I have gained 4 pounds this month. Being bored and stressed and in constant access of food and a sofa for my butt is not good. So I'm really trying to stick to my plan (I don't like calling it a diet because I feel it needs to be more of a lifestyle change) better this week.

[PoohsPal]

talk with a non-runner, and find out how amazed he or she is that you ran a mile or two (which in my clouded perspective seems like no big thing). You are doing great. Great advice!



I think it's kinda funny to say I'm turning 30 unemployed and living in my sister's basement
:rotfl2::rotfl2:If I hadn't known you for quite some time and met you, I might just wonder. :rotfl2:
MM - I'll talk to Scott about teh achillies. he ended up getting orthdics for his, but maybe there are some stretches he could recommend. Have you iced? Ugh. That would be hard fro weight loss. Good for you for trying ot be on track this week! Huge congratulations on teh job!!! :woohoodance:

[nono]

MM, congratulations!!!!! Glad you landed something! Is it "just a job" or something with long-term potential?? (Enquiring minds want to know!)

What you are describing with the achilles -- are you tight in the calf too? I find that occasionally, my calf will get as hard as a rock, but it won't be painful there, it'll be painful down my leg and make my achilles achy.

I got my LR (of 12 miles) in today. Hot and glad it is over!

[cloudnut220]

On the positive, I do finally have a job. I should start August 17. So I will still be unemployed next week for my big 3-0 bday (I think it's kinda funny to say I'm turning 30 unemployed and living in my sister's basement). Because it is the last week and a half off before I have to start earning my time off, I came up with the plan yesterday to drive up to Niagara Falls for a couple of days, then spend a day or two touring the Bourbon trail with a friend to celebrate next week. I had dreams of going to Europe or taking a cruise, but I certainly don't have anywhere that amount of dough. So it's off to Niagara (I really want to just be able to use my passport one last time this summer :silly:).

MM congratulations on the job! When I finished graduate school I was so nervous that I was never going to find a job after all of that work. It must be such a relief to have something. And I'm sure you'll enjoy Niagra! But watch out for the food/diet dangers of an office...there are always snacks and candy around mine :-/

And thanks to you (and everyone) for the advice to just keep going. That's the plan. I'm feeling better than I had in years of doing just gym workouts (weights, eliptical, the occassional class) and I want to make this stick!

[athenna]

Congrats on the job, MM!:thumbsup2:

[mickeyndvcfan]

MM.....CONGRATULATIONS on the job!!!

[MatterhornMiss]

Thanks, everyone, for the congrats.

nono--my calf isn't really tight, unless you consider where my Achilles is tight--about 3/4 down my calf (but not quite to my ankle).

Carrie--I've been icing. It helps it not to feel tight, but that could be because I'm icing too long and just don't feel anything.

cloudnut--Something else came to mind when I thought of you feeling discouraged. I just saw the episode of The Office where Michael organizes his 5K "Michael Scott’s Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race For The Cure." Talk about hilarity to put it all in perspective!

[Rozzie]

MM! Soul bday sister! Congrats on your job. I swear this is true, I was running this morning and you kept popping into my mind. Just seemed like you hadn't posted in a few days and I was wondering how job search was going, training going, etc. So happy to log on and see your great news. :)

Your bday sounds a lot more fun than mine. We are going to dinner and for my bday present I am getting flat screen TV wires placed in wall. (:scratchchin:) Okay, just remembered I bought 2 new pair of shorts from $ running store that I love, early gift hahah. I do plan falling off the wagon next Wed with a martini or three...I am celebrating a new AGE GROUP!! Did I mention that I got 3rd in AG, but if the race was 8 days later I would have won my AG. There is one girl that I have to bullseye that is 36 that is right on my pace for 5Ks now (came in 9 sec behind me) that I think will keep me highly motivated for next few years. She kicks arse in 10Ks so I got work cut out for me. Now all I have to do is figure out what she looks like and keep her in my sights. I did have fun "racing" the 5K the other night. I would tell a story about this girl and I but I am afraid everyone here will think I went completly off deep end. :silly: Lets just say I manned up. Ha!

Speedy recovery on achilees issue MM. Mine still bothers me here and there. I have found putting on compression sleeves for rest of day after hard runs really helps. First though I roll out and ice with it elevated. Oh yeah, keep flip flop usage to bare minimum. Good luck! :fingerscrossed:

[Colorado Belle]

Congrats on the job MM!
I haven't been to Niagra Falls since I was 2 1/2! I wanna go!

Tennis, yes; Running, no. No injury really, just lazy! (But I do have this weird thing going on with my big toe) Will probably do my itty bitty mile today since there's no tennis.

[nono]

Taping an achilles tendon:

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-241-286--13016-0,00.html